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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#87026: Sep 15th 2018 at 9:02:35 PM

It would've been cool...since it'd bee like he's making everyone into Freeza.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#87027: Sep 15th 2018 at 11:19:24 PM

I remember not being able to sense their Ki also being used as the reason for why Goku didn't take down their goofy triangle formation attack right away.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#87028: Sep 15th 2018 at 11:20:48 PM

Oh yeah, that thing. That attack really didn't make a lot of sense anyway.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#87029: Sep 16th 2018 at 11:22:53 AM

It seems like it was there to justify the blind Gohan fight. It's still funny that Gohan did better there than against Kuririn, who put him in a similar but less severe situation.

I don't think you can compare the two fights, since the battle against Krillin was cut short as soon as Krillin got a "ring out". In a straight-up fight Gohan would have recovered pretty quickly and beaten him way more easily than he beat Lavenda.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#87030: Sep 16th 2018 at 2:05:32 PM

No, that still doesn't fit. Gohan was able to immediately respond to Lavendar, he should have been able to do the same to Kuririn.

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#87031: Sep 16th 2018 at 2:16:18 PM

Top.

What?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#87032: Sep 16th 2018 at 2:40:26 PM

Top Men...

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#87033: Sep 16th 2018 at 2:43:14 PM

TOP = Tournament of Power

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#87034: Sep 16th 2018 at 2:45:10 PM

[up][up] Ooooh a pice of candy.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#87035: Sep 16th 2018 at 2:47:11 PM

Oh I thought they were talking about Toppo's dub name.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#87036: Sep 16th 2018 at 3:03:10 PM

TOP = Toppu...

Not so fast.

It's like ToP but not.

Edited by randomness4 on Sep 16th 2018 at 3:03:08 AM

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#87037: Sep 16th 2018 at 7:25:40 PM

Top is a valid way of translating it I guess but I don't like it as much as Toppo.

No, that still doesn't fit. Gohan was able to immediately respond to Lavendar, he should have been able to do the same to Kuririn.

Nah I double checked. After getting blinded by Lavender it takes a couple minutes of being smacked around before he adjusts. After getting blinded by Krillin he's knocked out of bounds within about five seconds.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#87038: Sep 16th 2018 at 7:57:11 PM

Yeah, I went back and rewatched both. But Gohan only got knocked around by Lavender because he hadn't tried using his senses to pick him up (and honestly, even that's inconsistent with Yamcha vs Invisible Man and Goku vs Yakon) the moment he tries, he inmediately blocks Lavender.

So Gohan being caught off guard doesnt work the second time, he should immediately know what to do and yet he's dumbfounded.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#87039: Sep 16th 2018 at 8:04:56 PM

Yeah. I mean, even if you take the entire ''no experience with Tournaments into account, it's way too late to claim that even an out of shape Gohan couldn't beat Krillin with his eyes closed, no matter how good a technique the latter came up with.

Weak, but Skilled is not a thing in Dragonball, and neither Toei or Toriyama should claim otherwise. Especially the former, since I don't think Toriyama had the patience for Weak, but Skilled.

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#87040: Sep 16th 2018 at 8:28:36 PM

There's a difference between "Not being able to see your opponent" and "being blinded". The latter hurts and I'm sure is much more distracting.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#87041: Sep 16th 2018 at 8:31:01 PM

I mean, was Gohan not blinded by Lavenda? He got poison directly in his eyes, I'd think that would count.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#87042: Sep 16th 2018 at 8:32:50 PM

Prolly hurt like a motherfucker really.

Especially since Gohan has been out of the game for a while & so has forgot what pain feels like.

...... Wait no he was tortured by Frieza not too long ago....... but wait he didn't get shot in the eyes though. tongue

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#87043: Sep 16th 2018 at 8:34:21 PM

True. Even late into the series, when the Solar Flare is used, it tends to completely stop whoever it's used on in its tracks, even into the point in the series where they should be able to sense Ki and continue to track opponents that way.

I can only assume that being hit with it when you are unprepared means your mind instead goes to Oh god! oh god! I can't see! Oh shit! mode, instead of I just gonna sense where that asshole is and kick his ass mode.

Though notably, it's most notable uses late in the series when used on the characters who can sense Ki, are Cell in his imperfect and Semi Perfect forms (that former time to run away, and the latter time to stun Trunks long enough for him to get 18). Trunks is kinda a fighting noob, so I can buy him not having the precision skill to track Cell's movements even if he could still sense his ki.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#87044: Sep 16th 2018 at 8:36:52 PM

I assume Gohan was caught off guard by what he thought was the Solar Flare turning out to be a way more powerful version.

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#87045: Sep 16th 2018 at 8:37:06 PM

I seem to remember a line saying that Gohan's skin turning purple from Lavanda's poison was supposed to represent his skin turning necrotic, so that's a really fuckin' gnarly poison.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#87046: Sep 16th 2018 at 8:39:45 PM

Oh right. It is supposed to dull ki as well (though I don't get how).

The Solar Flare's one flaw is that late in the series, it's only useful against characters who can't do that (barring Cell's use of it, and he knew how to suppress his energy).

I mean, if Gohan can't sense Krillin coming, can't see him, and only had a few seconds to realize the latter was coming, I can see how Krillin could have ringed him out, in contrast to Lavenza who took his time (due to ring outs not factoring into the exhibition matches).

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#87047: Sep 16th 2018 at 8:43:47 PM

My assumption is that the Solar Flare x100 blocks ki sensing by releasing such a huge amount of ki light into the air that it obscures and overpowers the ki signal being let out by people. Kind of like how the normal Solar Flare blocks your eyes with a shitton of light, the Solar Flare x100 blocks ki sensing with a shitton of ki getting released into the air from all directions.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#87048: Sep 17th 2018 at 12:36:04 AM

[up][up] Again, once Gohan knew what to do he immediately blocked Lavender. He shouldn't need that moment against everyone because he shouldn't forget that.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#87049: Sep 17th 2018 at 8:11:24 AM

[up]

Well I could argue that Gohan is still kinda rusty, and also that he assumed he'd beat Krillin easily (because he should), and thus was caught off guard...

...but I'm just gonna say you're right, because everything about Super is dumb anyway. Even the stuff I do like.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#87050: Sep 17th 2018 at 8:34:48 AM

[up][up]Again, immediately is an extremely strong word.


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