At what scale does Goku's 'I just want a good fight!' thing stop being endearing and become a monstrously selfish thing?
Because he literally got the world destroyed
Forever liveblogging the AvengersSimilar question for his thing about trying to force his sons to fight terrifying monsters in his stead
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI mean it's kind of hard to use "the World could get destroyed" as much of a deterrent in Dragon Ball. Even assuming the Earth Dragon Balls go away as a result, there's still the Namekian Balls.
It's like "Oh no Earth blew up let's just go buy a new one."
Edited by LordVatek on Sep 12th 2018 at 9:29:45 AM
This song needs more love.Similar question for his thing about trying to force his sons to fight terrifying monsters in his stead
Now to be fair on that one, Goku realized that he really couldn't be around forever and the Earth needed someone once he and all his friends died.
Gohan just happened to be closest to him at the time.
"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-MaeYou don't even need that, the first time. Goku couldn't beat Cell. Him being around meant fuck all, Gohan really was the only option.
Against Boo, he has a point because he's already dead and using SS 3 eats up his remaining time, but it'd still be good to deal with Boo and then worry about preparing the next generation.
Alright so I found a recent interview with Chris Sabat.
In it he talks about topics including Vegeta’s fear, Goku’s selfishness (heh nice coincidence
) & talking to himself.
I don’t get that logic.
Edited by slimcoder on Sep 12th 2018 at 6:57:54 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Well, from a meta perspective you could argue that Toriyama could have come up with reasons for Goku not to win that fight (if he'd thought ahead better, he could have revealed the time eating aspect and energy drain of Super Saiyan 3 during that fight and have Goku conk out right then and there).
I'm pretty sure that he just wasn't at the point where he (as in Toriyama) realized he just wanted to write Goku all the time yet.
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Originally he wasn't sure he could win, which made it more understandable.
It was only later when he had to fight Pure Boo that he revealed he could have won.
If not for that, the ambiguity would have worked for a more favourable interpretation.
Conking out in that fight would work really badly for later uses of SS 3
Edited by Saiga on Sep 13th 2018 at 1:17:54 AM
It was only later when he had to fight Pure Boo that he revealed he could have won.
Ya know what would suddenly make sense, if people payed attention to the fact that what Piccoro says doesn't match what Gohand says.
It really would make sense if more people did that.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Wasn't it said that Goku also wasn't giving it his all, since he was deliberately stalling.
If Toriyama had come up with the stamina issues ahead of time, and made Goku more aware of it (he had no idea how well it would work on earth, and couldn't be sure what would happen if he went all out since just using the form was pushing it), it could have saved a lot of trouble.
Though yeah, he didn't really do much to Buu, but I don't recall Buu really hurting him either. Any exhaustion was from maintaining SSJ 3.
Well, we only have Goku's word, so I suppose there's wiggle room for interpretation.
One Strip! One Strip!Edited by Kamiccolo on Sep 12th 2018 at 9:05:16 AM
I thought Piccolo noted that Fat Buu was powering up a lot right before he ejected Evil Buu. I took that to mean that Fat Buu was suppressing his power the entire time he was onscreen and never went all out. My headcanon about the Buus is that they tend to hold back to a level around or just above the person they're fighting, both to taunt them and because they enjoy fighting and want to drag it out. They stop holding back if they're angry, but otherwise they just enjoy playtime.
It makes me think what would have happened if Vegeta was killed off as originally planned in the Saiyan arc. Would this mean there wouldn't be a Namek Saga and the series would stop there? Or more like Vegeta would have been an Arc Villain and Toriyama would have still gone on to have Goku face the killer of his people.
Also on the shipper side, if Vegeta wasn't there maybe Yamcha and Bulma could have finally tied the knot and have a family together.
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But like I said - making Goku explicitly unable to beat Boo there hurts the rest of the arc.
Goku DID know of the stamina issues, it's why it ate up his time and left him exhausted. However, it's very important that he doesn't know HOW bad they are - otherwise it spoils the outcome of Gotenks vs Boo and Goku vs Pure Boo.
If Goku can't beat Fat Boo then you can't sell him as a credible opponent for an even stronger Boo.

I say, give everyone else the assist, but not Vegeta.
The only situation where I say Vegeta should have gotten the win (and then didn't) is with Golden Frieza.
He has more reason to want to kill the latter than Goku (since he's more tied to Saiyan culture and such, and he lived under Frieza's thumb), and also he wasn't just fighting for fun or pride (which Goku should not have been fucking doing in the first place, especially with someone who he knows is willing to try and shoot him in the back).
Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection 'F' is one of the few situations where Vegeta going first would have actually been the better choice, because once he had Frieza beat, he'd have finished the fight rather than dropping his guard and getting shot.
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