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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#86776: Sep 8th 2018 at 10:38:55 PM

I'm still mostly okay with the dialogue because while admittedly more serious, I still think they're mostly trying to be funny.

Which is also why comments about them "being better than the original" rub me the wrong way - if I was reading or watching something that was trying to be taken mostly seriously with this dialogue, I'd roll my eyes so hard they'd pop out of my skull.

Why would it rub you the wrong way? I assume the people that consider DBZA better than the original are including the more comedic tone as one of the things that makes it better.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#86777: Sep 8th 2018 at 10:42:10 PM

[up]No, they aren't, that's the point. I feel like I made it very clear what I was talking about.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 8th 2018 at 12:42:30 PM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#86778: Sep 8th 2018 at 11:23:42 PM

DBZ isn't comedy enough.

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#86779: Sep 9th 2018 at 12:03:00 AM

not until the great saiyaman arc anyway

which, i will say, is the greatest part of DBZ hands down

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#86780: Sep 9th 2018 at 12:16:34 AM

I like comedy.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#86781: Sep 9th 2018 at 1:31:21 AM

Dragon Ball started out as a gag manga but it evolved into an action series and then back to a sort of gag manga.

"Mai waifu."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#86782: Sep 9th 2018 at 1:50:34 AM

And then almost immediately back to an action series...

On TFS I will say I've liked their Cell a lot and they've managed to make him memorable when he was overall the most lacklustre of the DBZ main villain lot. He's been what's keeping their cast strong when certain other elements have been lacking lately.

I do think that in general the main character they write best is Vegeta, (him turning up on Earth is when I think DBZA started to get really good) and they struggle a bit when they can't rely on him - and he has gotten a lot less screentime ever since Cell punched his lights out.

Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Sep 9th 2018 at 8:59:06 AM

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#86783: Sep 9th 2018 at 1:52:54 AM

There is so much to learn to on how to write from Dragon Ball.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#86784: Sep 9th 2018 at 1:57:35 AM

Most of it "what not to do"...

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#86785: Sep 9th 2018 at 2:06:31 AM

Taking itself seriously too often seems like a "what not to do" rule...

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#86786: Sep 9th 2018 at 2:09:33 AM

Which was the main flaw of the Cell arc, that and it being an idiot plot from start to finish.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#86787: Sep 9th 2018 at 2:16:48 AM

Randomness doesn't like the Cell Saga...

Impressions were and remain below average...

Edited by randomness4 on Sep 9th 2018 at 2:16:26 AM

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#86788: Sep 9th 2018 at 2:25:20 AM

Cell saga is not that bad......

"Mai waifu."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#86789: Sep 9th 2018 at 2:28:41 AM

Okay, don't worry. No swaying here.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#86790: Sep 9th 2018 at 3:50:30 AM

I don't think the Cell arc ever took itself too seriously. It does have less room for humour than most other arcs (though I'd say the Saiyan arc has it beat) but that's not the same thing.

Calling Cell the most lackluster of the Z villains is hardly a knock when there's only four of them. And I'd disagree, Imperfect Cell is awesome and Perfect Cell, while not personally my cup of tea, is very distinctive in his attitude and demeanour.

TFS Cell is nothing more than the same thing with really uncomfortable sexual humour stapled on.

Edited by Saiga on Sep 9th 2018 at 8:51:19 PM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#86791: Sep 9th 2018 at 4:35:40 AM

Cell Saga's seriousness didn't do to well for my mother introducing it to me.

Edited by randomness4 on Sep 9th 2018 at 4:39:19 AM

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#86792: Sep 9th 2018 at 5:20:14 AM

The problem with the Cell Arc compared to the Saiyan arc is that it's a whole lot longer. Though Dragon Ball's single worst "too serious" moment is definitely in the Buu arc when Videl gets the shit kicked out of her for absolutely no reason and really spitefully.

Imperfect Cell is alright but he gives all his mystery away too early. Perfect Cell is basically just a cruddy Freeza knockoff. There's almost nothing memorable about him. He's just an arrogant, super powerful warrior who gets angry when there's someone more powerful than him.

I mean, Buu's no gem either, but he isn't any worse even in his Super Buu and Kid Buu stages than Perfect Cell is, and in my estimation Fat Buu > Imperfect Cell.

Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Sep 9th 2018 at 12:27:19 PM

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#86793: Sep 9th 2018 at 5:24:19 AM

Weird because Super Buu especially when he gets smart is criticized as a Perfect Cell rip-off.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#86794: Sep 9th 2018 at 5:26:34 AM

Perfect Cell and Super Buu are basically the same.

I'd probably have more to say about Cell's powers being boring since he only recycles other people's attacks but since 90% of the attacks in Dragonball are identical anyway that isn't really a factor honestly.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#86795: Sep 9th 2018 at 5:29:17 AM

Well Cell's got a charisma thanks to his VA that helps make him more memorable.

Same with Frieza really.

Plus he does have the excuse of being an artificial life-form designed solely for death & destruction so it makes sense he has a rather simple way of going through life.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 9th 2018 at 5:34:07 AM

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#86796: Sep 9th 2018 at 5:33:54 AM

I'll give him that, and some of his lines are pretty decent ("Chanting a little prayer before you die?")

But I can't forgive him for introducing the curse of the main villain healing factor.

Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Sep 9th 2018 at 12:33:55 PM

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#86797: Sep 9th 2018 at 5:36:50 AM

That's always the thing with simple characters.

The characters likability is heavily linked to the performance of the actor.

Even the most poorly written or inconsistent character ever can be saved or improved by stellar acting.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#86798: Sep 9th 2018 at 7:52:52 AM

Oh yeaaah. I always saw how Perfect Cell and Super Buu are the same personality wise, but I never put together that they both use attacks from other characters.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#86799: Sep 9th 2018 at 7:57:56 AM

Super Buu has a few extra tools in his arsenal.

They do both regenerate as well.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#86800: Sep 9th 2018 at 9:28:36 AM

Super Buu doesnt remind me of Cell until after he absorbs Piccolo and Gotenks and Gohan.

"Base" Super Buu has a sort of intelligent thuggery to him that I actually sorta like because it's different from other villains.

He's unsophisticated compared to Frieza, and he seems pretty book-dumb, but, even though he doesnt know what an hour is at first, he's able to calculate it from the rate of sand falling in the hourglass Piccolo made.

And he outwits Gotenks a bunch. Not hard admittedly.


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