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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#86751: Sep 8th 2018 at 8:00:09 AM

How often does it become night in Z period...?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#86752: Sep 8th 2018 at 8:27:56 AM

DBZA 60 part 2 is up

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#86753: Sep 8th 2018 at 2:02:44 PM

Are there any situations in the series you think they could have used the Dragon Balls could have helped fixed, but they didn't use them or provide a good enough reason for why not?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#86754: Sep 8th 2018 at 2:08:07 PM

They could have wished an asteroid to hit the Saiyan pods.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#86756: Sep 8th 2018 at 2:21:21 PM

I'll point out that the part about "letting him go so he'll be a better opponent later" doesn't work for the abridged, because that's not the reason that Goku said to let Vegeta go in this version.

His actual reason of "he said he's sorry so we have to let him go" is also stupid and was more a shot at one of the dubs for changing Goku's motivation in that scene.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 8th 2018 at 5:27:26 AM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#86757: Sep 8th 2018 at 2:30:43 PM

Kind of shows you the disconnect between TFS doing things for humour and then trying too hard to be serious

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#86758: Sep 8th 2018 at 2:38:41 PM

Yeah, I still like the series but when I said they were more or less a different dub of Z now, I didn't just mean that in a positive sense. You don't have to look any further then how they portray Hercule to see how significant the change is now compared to when they started. There's nothing significantly different or exaggerated about him, he's exactly the same here as he is in Z. He's the perfect microcosm of how the back half of the Namek Saga and the entire Android Saga has been abridged.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#86759: Sep 8th 2018 at 2:41:23 PM

Well they gave him a lot of wrestling jokes at the very least.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#86760: Sep 8th 2018 at 2:45:33 PM

That's pretty low effort though.

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#86761: Sep 8th 2018 at 2:45:51 PM

Also, he used to be homeless in this version.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#86762: Sep 8th 2018 at 2:48:23 PM

Compared to what they did with Recoome, the wrestling jokes were nothing. An issue I've been having with them is that it's just hard to take seriously most of the time. I keep expecting a joke to come in during a serious moment and then none do.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#86763: Sep 8th 2018 at 2:51:01 PM

Hey I didn’t say it was worth a lot.

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#86764: Sep 8th 2018 at 3:05:36 PM

TFS is on it's way towards being an "official" dubbing studio, so I feel their "serious" moments are reflective of that as they want to be known for more than just making a gag dub version of DBZ.

Whether their transition to the serious was for the best or worst depends is entirely up to the person.

Personally, I still think their funny moments are great, but their serious moments aren't that much different from the original to really give them merit.

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#86765: Sep 8th 2018 at 3:08:54 PM

I'd say that the little speech Kami gave before being absorbed was probably better.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#86766: Sep 8th 2018 at 3:32:09 PM

Some of the fighting dialogue is more badass "These parameters... ARE ACCEPTABLE."

I've noticed that the serious moments they're most likely to get right are the ones that were kind of weak in the original (a lot of the mid-cell arc BS for example they did really well).

LSBK, you're right. I remembered them having Goku state both motivations for some reason, but you're right, he does only ask Vegeta to apologise.

I guess we could be generous and say that Gohan's just extrapolating Goku's real reason (he was unconscious when Goku let Vegeta go, after all). But that's being generous.

(also, whew, it's so easy to forget how that fight ends with Krillin nearly stabbing Vegeta to death with Yajirobe's sword. I love how brutal and no-holds-barred the Vegeta fight is, really getting down in the mud and the dirt.)

I will say I do miss them being willing to completely use serious moments in the original as a joke (Freeza's PTSD flashback of Goku, complete with his demand for Pizzaaaaaaa is one of my favourite examples). They're a lot less willing to do that now and I kind of don't like that.

I will agree that Mr. Satan is completely unchanged from the original, but I honestly can't think of many ways that they could have used him differently. I guess maybe they could have made him the real deal, but have him genuinely get affected by medical problems so it just looks like he's faking?

Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Sep 8th 2018 at 11:33:43 AM

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#86767: Sep 8th 2018 at 4:45:17 PM

I think they've just been consistently bad for this season.

They can do some good one-liners - but they're incredibly cheesy and wouldn't work with a serious tone - and the Piccolo/God talk was good.

Otherwise, they seem kind of stuck in this lull where the situations are portrayed semi-seriously but the dialogue is too silly to fit. And the end result is just waiting for a joke that never comes, it's the worst of both worlds.

Satan is different in DBZA - because he continously makes references to his daughter. It's one of TFS' attempts at having greater continuity that ends up being pretty obnoxious because it only works as we already know his daughter will be relevant later.

And for their extreme love of cobtinuity porn this season they can't even maintain consistency with their own version.

Edited by Saiga on Sep 8th 2018 at 9:48:02 PM

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#86768: Sep 8th 2018 at 4:47:23 PM

Since Cell showed up it's become a borderline redub with a few quips thrown in that range from mildly amusing to cringeworthy.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#86769: Sep 8th 2018 at 5:38:44 PM

I'm still mostly okay with the dialogue because while admittedly more serious, I still think they're mostly trying to be funny.

Which is also why comments about them "being better than the original" rub me the wrong way - if I was reading or watching something that was trying to be taken mostly seriously with this dialogue, I'd roll my eyes so hard they'd pop out of my skull.

Admittedly, I do think there have been sometimes when they've added more pathos to a scene that the original (again, see the Piccolo and Kami pre-fusion conversation) but mostly those moments fall flat-to-annoying for me.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 8th 2018 at 7:41:12 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#86770: Sep 8th 2018 at 7:35:18 PM

So are we still supposed to like the Angels & the Zeno’s despite them being completely remorseless in erasing all the universes?

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#86771: Sep 8th 2018 at 7:48:41 PM

I think we're supposed to see them as dangerous and scary, as well as wise and smarter than they appear. I've always seen Zeno like that, ever since his first appearance I've been wary of the guy.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 8th 2018 at 7:48:29 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#86772: Sep 8th 2018 at 7:50:02 PM

I wouldn’t say wise or smart necessarily.

This was a very, very cruel experiment.

Totally gamblers though, banking on one out of a trillion beings to pick the single right answer is a fucking insane game of chicken.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 8th 2018 at 7:56:30 AM

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#86773: Sep 8th 2018 at 9:24:48 PM

I think we're supposed to believe the Omniscient Morality License is in effect.

These are beings that have likely been alive for billions of years. That kind of experience would be unfathomable to a mortal being.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#86774: Sep 8th 2018 at 9:52:21 PM

Billion of years of experience means nothing if they don't actually do anything meaningful during that time period. They're evidently not all-knowing since Zamasu was able to do his thing, him being entertained by fighters beating the snot out of each other in a gladiatorial death match isn't faked and the supposed test of character is the worst one in the history of BS that supposedly "wise" characters has ever done.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#86775: Sep 8th 2018 at 10:09:26 PM

It's also way dumber than the original reason for the tournament - basing the decision to blow up all universes on the choice made by one mortal out of all of them selected for their fighting capability is completely ridiculous.

At least the death match for entertainment was an understandable motivation. As is allowing the universes to pick representatives that best displayed the qualities needed to survive.


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