Super Dragon Ball Heroes episode 3:
Also, the gameplay trailer for Universe Mission 4:
- Shows off gameplay of Super Oozaru Cumber, Ozotto, Powered-Up Hatchiyack, Blue Kaioken x20 Prison Goku, Super Saiyan 3 Prison Trunks, Xeno Omega Shenron, Super Saiyan 3 Xeno Gohanks and Elder Kai
- Elder Kai's ability is the Ultimate Ritual
- The CAA for this mission is Dokabaki (aka Rising Impact)
- Evil Dragon Black is the fusion of Demigra and Xeno Omega Shenron
I like to think Burter had a thing where he could channel more of his ki into his speed than anyone else.
A hypothetical version of Burter with Frieza's exact power level would be faster than Frieza with Frieza's exact power level.
Super Saiyan Grade III and other things show that ki can be channeled to different purposes. Trunks's power level went up and his muscles got bigger, but he was slower.
Edited by unnoun on Sep 6th 2018 at 5:32:15 AM
I've always thought something like that, that there are slight deviations in power level depending on both body type and type of training. Like, say, if Chiaotzu and Piccolo had the same power level, Chiaotzu would be a bit faster while Piccolo would be a bit slower, just because of the height difference. Vegeta probably has higher than average endurance.
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The first reading I took of this, is that the Potara time limit was part of the original draft (for Zamasu), and then Toyotarou added Vegetto. That would mean that Toei took the original draft, and moved the time limit from Zamasu and used it for Vegetto, who was now part of the draft.
However, I'm starting to think it isn't very likely for them to do that. Especially not if Toyotarou already added in Vegetto Blue to the outline and gave an alternate explanation for him defusing.
Now I'm wondering if the reading is meant to be that the potara time limit was the first thing added to the original draft where Goku and Vegeta could easily take him on, in order to give a different goal than just Goku and Vegeta handling him. If that's true, it very likely came from the anime, given how far ahead it was and how Toyotarou deviates from their ideas.
It's definitely not the first thing he added from this description, at any rate. And though he takes credit for the scenario he created, and Toriyama called it a good idea, the scenario that he uses is also different from the anime (significantly so) and that could be what he is being credited for over just using Vegetto.
It's not 100% clear to me. A straight reading leans more toward the first interpretation but then I'm confused as to why the potara-time limit was a thing (if Goku and Vegeta were 'more than enough' to take him on anyway) and why Toei would change it so much.
Well, I'm positive that, since Toriyama has named Toyotaro his successor, Toyo is one of the first people to see the original outline, possibly even before the people at Toei. Way I see it, Toyotaro almost certainly made those changes before Toei even aired the first episode of the Future Trunks arc.
However, I'm starting to think it isn't very likely for them to do that. Especially not if Toyotarou already added in Vegetto Blue to the outline and gave an alternate explanation for him defusing.
Now I'm wondering if the reading is meant to be that the potara time limit was the first thing added to the original draft where Goku and Vegeta could easily take him on, in order to give a different goal than just Goku and Vegeta handling him. If that's true, it very likely came from the anime, given how far ahead it was and how Toyotarou deviates from their ideas.
It's definitely not the first thing he added from this description, at any rate. And though he takes credit for the scenario he created, and Toriyama called it a good idea, the scenario that he uses is also different from the anime (significantly so) and that could be what he is being credited for over just using Vegetto.
It's not 100% clear to me. A straight reading leans more toward the first interpretation but then I'm confused as to why the potara-time limit was a thing (if Goku and Vegeta were 'more than enough' to take him on anyway) and why Toei would change it so much.
I'm definately leaning on the former interpretation, that the Potara time limit was part of the original draft, and it's explained right there why the Potara time limit was important for Zamasu, since it's paired with Zamasu's immortality.
Way I see it, the original draft went like this: Fused Zamasu is more powerful than either Goku or Vegeta individually, but they put aside their differences and fight him as a team, overpowering him. They can't destroy him, however, because of his immortality, so they have to just stall him as a team until he defuses because of the time limit. I'm assuming the original draft goes pretty much like the manga does after Zamasu defuses.
On an unrelated note: I hope Xenoverse 3 adds Ribrianne's Love Transformations, God of Destruction, and Ultra Instinct as transformations available to all Create-A-Character species.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 6th 2018 at 4:44:49 AM
But that interpretation doesn't match Toyotarou saying that two Super Saiyan Blues were 'more than enough to handle him' and that Fused Zamasu wasn't that strong. If he were strong enough that Goku and Vegeta could only beat him by waiting out his fusion time, than that's not very different to the final product.
If Goku and Vegeta are able to overpower him, than the potara time limit is pointless. They have that exact same problem with base Zamasu, who is weaker than them but immmortal. The whole point of the potara time limit in the final product was that they could deal with an immortal that was weaker than them no issue.
Edited by Saiga on Sep 6th 2018 at 10:09:51 PM
Well, I can understand using Vegetto given that he already exists in continuity and they're up against an opponent using Potara. It'd feel odd thematically to use a different fusion method in that instance.
And he's probably more popular, to boot.
Still, given the Broly movie and the fact that they appear to be using Gogeta there, they don't have much of an excuse now.
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Because Vegeta that's why.
In regards to other points, I can buy that two warriors of similar levels might show some variations (one being faster, and one being stronger). Since fights like that are very, very rare (the gaps almost always being monumentally huge, and even if both fighters are shown to be equal, they'll have the same speed and strength), it's not a thing that comes up very often.
As for how things worked in the outline compared to the manga / anime...meh, Too hard to guess. We got what we got (Earring Fusion is now ruined and worthless).
Edit: So Unnoun Murasaki'ed me on the Vegeta point. But yeah, he hates it, and arguing with him about it is a bigger fight than any fight they are actually going through at the time.
Edited by HandsomeRob on Sep 6th 2018 at 7:21:26 AM
One Strip! One Strip!Yeah, but Goku regretted doing that.
Getting Goku and Vegeta to fuse is now being posed as something more difficult than it should be, and the point being made is that once you establish one situation in which they are willing to do it, it makes no sense to make things even more dangerous later but have them going "Nah, don't wanna."
"They're idiots" or "my pride" stop being valid explanations after a certain point.
Edited by LSBK on Sep 6th 2018 at 10:21:00 AM
There are actually ways where you can work around that, by having it be illegal (as in a tournament setting, though we're all likely sick of tournaments after the TOP) or have them physically split up somehow, or one of them is knocked out, etc.
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

No, Toyotaro pretty clearly takes credit for Vegetto, and the way he described it, he added Vegetto really early in the planning of the arc. Like, the second Toyotaro read the outline, he suggested adding Vegetto, and the outline would've existed for at least a month or two before the anime even started on it.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 6th 2018 at 2:03:09 AM