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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#86326: Aug 18th 2018 at 3:48:32 PM

To be fair she has lost a lot of the spunk that helped made her likable in Z.

Like I understand change can happen over the years & with being a parent but she feels like a completely different person at times.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#86327: Aug 18th 2018 at 3:56:47 PM

Blame that asshole Spopovitch.

I always found it interesting she became more docile after getting the stuffing kicked out of her by a huge man.

...and by interesting, I mean utter bullshit.

Anyway, FUCK YEAH GOHAN!

One Strip! One Strip!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#86328: Aug 18th 2018 at 4:02:12 PM

I mean, she didn't though. After she got fixed up she didn't even seem to linger on it. She reacted just like all the male fighters when they got the shit kicked out of them; she moved on.

Edited by LSBK on Aug 18th 2018 at 6:04:26 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#86329: Aug 18th 2018 at 4:04:35 PM

True that.

It's not that she became more docile, it's that one the plot was done with her, she, like so many before he no longer had a role to play.

That and Toriyama's thing for marrying every female character (Launch who?) off.

One Strip! One Strip!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#86330: Aug 18th 2018 at 4:06:42 PM

Because there's no argument necessary. You're just being silly, there's no real argument there. There is no defending this. Period. Any attempts to do so will be met with mockery and disappointment because I thought you were better than that.

This is, by FAR, the stupidest thing that has ever happened in this franchise, inarguably and bar none, and I will not listen to any arguments to the contrary. Roshi getting Ultra Instinct off-screen is where I draw the line.

And this is just completely inappropriate. No-one's opinion over a fictional work is worthy of such derision and mocking.

What's more, being on a high horse for dismissing people outright and openly saying you won't change your mind or listen to people is a farce. There's no being "better" than having a certain opinion. Conduct is far more important, and your conduct here is extremely poor.

You've admitted that you don't have an open mind and won't listen to others. That is not something to be proud of.

The mocking is also incredibly hypocritical, given that you'd previously called this thread toxic and complained about being 'attacked' for your opinions. You said you didn't want it to turn you into a toxic debater. Evidently, you aren't afraid of that anymore. You've admitted that you will mock and ridicule people for their opinions - that is what toxic behaviour looks like.

And it's surprising, given what you've previously defended in the past. Drawing the line in what you personally accept in one thing, but you have no right to draw the line and say what opinions other people can reasonably hold.


On the recent spoilers: As always, people jumped the gun and made incorrect assumptions. I really wish people would listen when they're told not to rush to conclusions, because this happens nearly every chapter and people overreact like crazy over incorrect/misleading spoilers.

On another forum I frequent, some of the assumptions went as far as thinking Gohan was in base form for the entire fight with Kafla, because he didn't 'transform' into Ultimate like the anime had him do. The assumptions people get outraged over absolutely mystify me.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#86332: Aug 18th 2018 at 4:29:00 PM

Because he's Toriyama's successor?

Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#86333: Aug 18th 2018 at 4:30:09 PM

He wasted Gohan on Kefla. Why does Toyotaro hate jobbers?

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#86334: Aug 18th 2018 at 5:25:40 PM

The icing is that Kefla wasn't nerfed at all, Gohan's just that damn good.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#86335: Aug 18th 2018 at 5:27:01 PM

Ultimate Gohan finally accomplished a thing

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#86337: Aug 18th 2018 at 5:29:55 PM

Wow he finally triumphed over an actually strong foe.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#86338: Aug 18th 2018 at 5:32:16 PM

This is the final proof that the manga was a mistake.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#86339: Aug 18th 2018 at 5:34:47 PM

See, I can enjoy this both as a Gohan fan and as someone who just likes seeing people pissed off about this type of stuff. It's a win-win for me.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#86340: Aug 18th 2018 at 5:36:48 PM

I just see that as wasting Gohan on a relatively non-important character. He beats Kafla but he will still never actually be relevant.

This song needs more love.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#86341: Aug 18th 2018 at 5:39:21 PM

It's a lot better than just leaving him out of arcs.

But yeah, it looks like the Broly movie is shaping up to completely exclude him. Toriyama including him here clearly doesn't mean he changed his mind about not wanting to use him.

Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#86342: Aug 18th 2018 at 5:41:14 PM

It looks like Gohan's at least #3 now after Goku and Vegeta, if not #1 until UI becomes a thing. LSS Kale was fodderizing Golden Freeza before the fusion made her more dangerous, and Freeza powers down to rest in this chapter so any claims about him holding back are, as expected, probably posturing.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#86343: Aug 18th 2018 at 5:41:43 PM

I'm not that much of a Gohan fan, but I share Yakuzu's opinion here.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#86344: Aug 18th 2018 at 5:43:55 PM

[up][up] He said he held back, that doesn't mean he can't also be exhausted from using his Golden Form.

Also from the spoilers so far, Gohan is explicitly not stronger than Goku. Otherwise they wouldn't be saying he could surpass Goku if he continued.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#86345: Aug 18th 2018 at 5:47:49 PM

Gohan isn't in the new movie?

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#86346: Aug 18th 2018 at 5:48:04 PM

Yea, Gohan didn't surpass Goku, everyone was just surprised by how quickly he regained his battle sense and how he was able to keep up with Kefla. It just reinforced what was kind of forgotten, that if he stuck to training and less work, he could potentially surpass Goku.

And to add to this, Goku is shocked by the strength Gohan was displaying.

[up] As far we know, even if he is, I doubt it'll be in a big capacity. They revealed all of the relevant characters since Super (Goku, Vegeta, Beerus, etc) and Piccolo for some reason.

But yea, I consider this just a Day in the Limelight for Gohan; better than just being forgotten and never used at all at least.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Aug 18th 2018 at 8:49:11 AM

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#86347: Aug 18th 2018 at 5:48:30 PM

[up][up] Well there was no “Broly vs Gohan” tagline in the trailer.

[up] Menaing Gohan can still be the strongest being in the universe.

If he worked at it of course.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 18th 2018 at 5:48:43 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#86348: Aug 18th 2018 at 5:49:20 PM

I think surpassing Goku once is enough. More than that is just showy.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#86349: Aug 18th 2018 at 5:49:31 PM

[up][up][up][up] Well, we've seen no sign of him thus far. He's not in the design sheets.

He'll probably appear, but if he were to be one of the guys fighting Broly I'd have thought we'd seen or heard something about it.

[up] He'd already done it twice before now though.

Edited by Saiga on Aug 18th 2018 at 10:49:33 PM

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#86350: Aug 18th 2018 at 5:53:23 PM

You know, I was really skeptical about the new movie, but it sounds pretty promising after all.


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