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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#86201: Aug 17th 2018 at 10:05:12 AM

[up]

So Kefla is at least at the level of Potential Unlocked Gohan in the manga. Then again, we know Gohan's gotten massively rusty in both manga and anime continuity, so we can't be sure if she matches him at his absolute best or not.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#86202: Aug 17th 2018 at 10:27:26 AM

Apparenly Kafla being born from two people who were using two different, incompatable forms (Super Saiyan Caulifla and Legendary Kale) caused her to not use her power to her fullest. Also she apparently can't fight that well because of her Kale not being as good a fighter as Caulifla. This is apparently why she has trouble with Gohan.

Not sure if it's true, but we'll see.

Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#86203: Aug 17th 2018 at 10:29:51 AM

She was thrashing a group that was previously beating Kale so that explanation is pretty nonsense. She's at least stronger than that, and Kale was smacking around Golden Freeza like nothing and swatting CSSB Vegeta.

Edited by Kamiccolo on Aug 17th 2018 at 10:29:51 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#86204: Aug 17th 2018 at 10:31:07 AM

So there's a massive lack of balance compared to Vegetto then? But it also means that Toyotarou lacks enough faith in Gohan that he felt the need to nerf Kefla. That's a little disappointing.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Aug 17th 2018 at 11:31:27 AM

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#86205: Aug 17th 2018 at 11:06:37 AM

Also, it seems that Ultra Instinct Omen appears too.

Edited by Rinsankajugin on Aug 17th 2018 at 1:06:26 PM

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#86206: Aug 17th 2018 at 11:14:42 AM

Man, how is it that the DBS manga can so consistently make thing less cool, interesting and overall duller than the anime did? It's like it's aiming to make everything a letdown.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#86207: Aug 17th 2018 at 11:15:07 AM

So I'm gonna say this:

I think the manga should have come first, and set the ground work, and then the anime should have followed, using the seasonal approach that's been a thing lately.

Toyotarou follows Toriyama's outline and tells the story, maybe with Toei adding a few suggestions here and there for their own stuff, and then once enough time has elapsed, they air the anime, while also adding in some of those slice of life eps that they tend to be a bit better at to fill some gaps (while taking care to not undermine what the manga has done, or contradict it later).

This provides a more cohesive and consistent tale then what we getting in either version, and also, Toyotarou would need to rush far less than he is here.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#86208: Aug 17th 2018 at 11:50:34 AM

[up] The thing is, that wouldn't make them as much money right now and that's all that matters.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#86209: Aug 17th 2018 at 12:27:56 PM

If the actual story wouldn't be any better, and it isn't either medium, then it would matter which came first.

Arachosia from United States Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#86210: Aug 17th 2018 at 1:37:19 PM

Look's like Roshi will be fighting JIREN in the upcoming chapter of Super... sigh

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#86211: Aug 17th 2018 at 1:41:54 PM

......... Nani?!?!?!

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#86212: Aug 17th 2018 at 1:45:56 PM

Okay, at this point Toyotarou is just taking a piss.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#86213: Aug 17th 2018 at 1:46:08 PM

I hope this gives us some interesting character development from Jiren.

The look on his face clearly screams Old man...WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING?

And it's totally justified.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#86214: Aug 17th 2018 at 2:04:26 PM

Roshi has lasted far longer than he has any right to in the manga.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#86215: Aug 17th 2018 at 2:09:23 PM

Apparently Roshi has Ultra Instinct too lol and that's how Goku learns it in the manga.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#86216: Aug 17th 2018 at 2:12:21 PM

[up] Ha I can't tell if your joking or not. tongue

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#86217: Aug 17th 2018 at 2:12:57 PM

So is Roshi to the manga, what 17 was to the anime?

Either way, I sort of feel like we should be past going over who "deserves" to be still in or not. Whether it makes sense or not, Super (anime and manga) is what it is.

Edited by LSBK on Aug 17th 2018 at 4:12:39 AM

Fedetropes Call me Blast, not Fedetropes from Doomed universe Since: Dec, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Call me Blast, not Fedetropes
#86218: Aug 17th 2018 at 2:13:49 PM

Even when I saw it for the first time in tumblr I thought "this is horseshit to the highest degree"

And I tend to tolerate a lot of dumb stuff

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#86219: Aug 17th 2018 at 2:20:14 PM

[up][up][up]It's not a joke.

FFS Toyotaro, Roshi is an incredibly outdated archetype that's lasted far past its expiration date. Let him die.

Edited by LordVatek on Aug 17th 2018 at 5:20:35 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#86220: Aug 17th 2018 at 2:21:21 PM

[up] Huh well to quote the Joker then.

"That's not funny, that's not funny at all."

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#86221: Aug 17th 2018 at 2:23:33 PM

[up][up] You say that, but I remember a lot of people praising his episodes in the Anime. Ya'll can criticize all of the flaws you want, it's obvious some of you like this shit.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#86222: Aug 17th 2018 at 2:29:36 PM

[up]I find it hard to believe that people who find this cool aren't just nostalgia-addled by a few awesome scenes he had way back in Dragon Ball and are selectively oblivious to the disgusting aspects of his character.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#86223: Aug 17th 2018 at 2:32:39 PM

Aren't you doing the same and pretending like none of his non-perverted moments happened?

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#86224: Aug 17th 2018 at 2:35:24 PM

No, we are well aware of the disgusting aspects of his character.

Hell, I liked that Roshi was self aware enough to try and move past this in the anime so he didn't screw his team over...which they then turned into a damned rape joke that I desperately wanted to think was just Roshi ironically trying not to be a perverted old man, but coming off that way by accident (but yeah, totally a rape joke. I was kidding myself).

I just prefer Roshi as the (formerly) wise old Master rather than...Perverted Anime Old Man # 1001. Unfortunately, him being a Perverted Anime Old Man is like...60% of his character.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#86225: Aug 17th 2018 at 2:35:31 PM

[up][up]I'll freely acknowledge that they happened, I just don't think they make up for all of the other stuff.

Edited by LordVatek on Aug 17th 2018 at 5:36:04 AM

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