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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#85976: Aug 13th 2018 at 5:11:50 PM

I'm not gonna make any comparison until both are done with their arcs.

I think I've preferred some things about the anime (I guess the spectacle), and some things about the manga (I do think it gets to the point quickly).

I'll give my full thoughts when both are done. While I'm tempted to choose anime just because people seem to be a lot harder on it, I gotta be fair about this.

Because as we all know, Handsome Rob is a man of fairness and logic at all times.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#85977: Aug 13th 2018 at 5:26:31 PM

I feel like the manga doesn’t have much over the anime aside from faster-ish pacing I guess.

I mean I feel Toyo’s art is rather bland. The fight choreography isn’t really stellar, the fights themselves such Kale’s rampage here lacks a certain brutality, & the shading like the ki that surrounds the characters is pretty lame looking.

Sure it’s consistent but at the same time it’s not really that epic.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#85978: Aug 13th 2018 at 5:40:37 PM

For me neither version is epic. The anime makes more overt attempts at this, but they ring hollow to me. Especially when they're just recycling story beats from the original series to try and capture the same feeling. Otherwise, the attempts to be epic are brought down by glaring issues that I can't really look past.

I also think the anime being ahead of the manga would make it hard to do anything that would feel epic, because it wouldn't feel new. The most impressive thing I can remember off the top of my head is Vegeta's God-Blue switching, because that was totally new.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85979: Aug 13th 2018 at 5:45:24 PM

I at the very least looked forward to the manga on the possibility of seeing some really good art.

But of course that didn’t happen.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#85980: Aug 13th 2018 at 5:47:33 PM

I think the manga's art is good, Kale and Kafla have looked really good in the most recent chapters compared to their anime counterparts.

Jiren's been looking a bit weird, and the prportions have been dicey, but when it's on model it's really satisfying.

Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#85981: Aug 13th 2018 at 5:56:27 PM

The last chapter with Kale's rampage felt really rushed with the elimination of the universes, but beyond that I think the pacing has worked well. The TOP doesn't have a lot of plot to it so I wouldn't expect it to be too long.
I actually kinda liked that part. In addition to cutting to the point it basically serves as an unintentional Take That! to the anime which dragged things out for a million years with improbable fodder fights where everyone's strength fluctuated and nothing had a purpose. That plus Frost contemptuously eliminating all of U7's fodder within a few pages. Good point on the TOP having basically no plot.
I mean I feel Toyo’s art is rather bland. The fight choreography isn’t really stellar, the fights themselves such Kale’s rampage here lacks a certain brutality, & the shading like the ki that surrounds the characters is pretty lame looking.
It's a lot more consistent than Toei's animation at least.

Overall I just think that the Super anime wastes the viewer's time. Even ignoring the fact that it began with nearly 30 episodes of nothing but drawn-out inferior remakes of two 90-minute movies. Every line possible is extended as far as it can without pushing past some unclear line of acceptability. Wanna have Zen-Oh interject that something is cool? Okay, but just to push the sequence further and fill these 30 minutes of air-time, why not have him say it 4 times before we cut away? We can come back to him in a minute. He still thinks it's cool. I swear we have that cutaway five times during the Basil vs Buu fight alone. Plus stuff like:

"Do it Jiren ... Now ... For your wish ... For the super Dragon Balls"

Because "for your wish" doesn't imply the way we the viewer already clearly know how he's going to get it if he does. Then it cuts away to a god ranting about how great/bad a fighter is. For every fighter. Plus the U7 team's reaction. For every episode.

Edited by Kamiccolo on Aug 13th 2018 at 5:57:24 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85982: Aug 13th 2018 at 6:02:00 PM

I just find that it lack mojo.

I don’t feel that certain oomph or je-ne-se-qua if you get what I mean.

[up] The show is pretty bad at the padding.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 13th 2018 at 6:02:48 AM

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#85983: Aug 13th 2018 at 6:23:16 PM

I think the only fight that really struck me as good in the manga's Tournament of Power was Frieza vs the Saiyan girls. Every other fight falls short compared to its anime counterpart to me.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#85984: Aug 13th 2018 at 7:09:01 PM

I also think the anime being ahead of the manga would make it hard to do anything that would feel epic, because it wouldn't feel new. The most impressive thing I can remember off the top of my head is Vegeta's God-Blue switching, because that was totally new.

Oh right. God-Blue switching was pretty good. It's amazing how simple a concept of switching forms for their benefits was totally absent from Dragonball (which makes sense; everything is decided by how much ki you have, so there would be little benefit to switching to a different from if another one was stronger, because that form would also be faster by default).

Well, there were the Ultra / Mid / Grade 3 Super Saiyan forms, which could become too slow if you bulked up too much, but that was purely for the sake of showing why they weren't any good.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#85985: Aug 13th 2018 at 7:20:14 PM

There was also that time Trunks went ultra buff to put Vegeta off guard since he knew it was useless, but then quickly switched to normal super saiyan.

Why only Goku and Vegeta do things anymore.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85986: Aug 13th 2018 at 7:22:12 PM

Well Goku’s a moron & Vegeta’s an ass so yeah I can see why it’s too stressful to hang out with them.

Dealing with one may be bearable but two is an inevitable heart attack.

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#85987: Aug 13th 2018 at 7:22:39 PM
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#85988: Aug 13th 2018 at 7:23:13 PM

[up][up][up]

You know, that's a pretty valid reason actually.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#85989: Aug 13th 2018 at 7:31:34 PM

@Kamiccolo I really liked Frost's chapter. I hadn't expected Frost to get to show off like that, it handled the Freeza-Frost subplot really efficiently and gave credence to the idea of holding back by showing the consequences of being reckless. And it even used Kuririn and Ten's quick eliminations in a sensible way that had me more open to their inclusion in the arc.

I was pretty impressed by that chapter. Especially compared to the anime, which did such a poor job on all of these fronts.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#85990: Aug 13th 2018 at 7:37:09 PM

And it even used Kuririn and Ten's quick eliminations in a sensible way that had me more open to their inclusion in the arc.

I don't know man. Considering Toriyama gave that interview about including them to show they can still contribute, eliminating them so quickly seems to utterly undermine that point.

We've been saying that there were other characters they could have used (and there have been plenty of arguments about why they should or shouldn't do so) but if you were just gonna clear them out after a chapter or two, then maybe you shouldn't have bothered putting them in.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#85991: Aug 13th 2018 at 8:05:36 PM

What interview? We also have the anime staff saying that Toriyama didn't even explain why they were there.

I was adverse to including them, and the anime only made it worse. But the manga actually had them serve a narrative purpose, and it fit really nicely into the Frost subplot. Plus it meant that it wasn't just the other universes to have early/sudden eliminations.

Dropping U 7 to 8 members so early makes it more manageable.

If those two hadn't been put in, someone else would have to be, and if you put someone in who would logically fare better than you have the issue of trying to juggle them as well.

Edited by Saiga on Aug 14th 2018 at 1:06:29 AM

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#85992: Aug 13th 2018 at 8:08:49 PM

Man Goku and Vegeta are being right friendly in that image, sitting next to each other and all

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#85993: Aug 13th 2018 at 8:09:39 PM

Goku sneaking his arm closer to being around Vegeta's shoulders...

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85994: Aug 13th 2018 at 8:10:32 PM

It was a missed opportunity to this with all the universes or obliterated ones merged into one with U7.

That way for next multiversal tournament you can bring all the actually powerful fan-favorites on the protags side.

Plus it would have ended the arc with something happening to the status quo.

[up][up], [up] Looks like they both want a shot at each other (wink, wink). tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 13th 2018 at 8:13:34 AM

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#85995: Aug 13th 2018 at 8:12:14 PM

While I think how Krillin and Tien went out in the manga was pretty bad, I did like the idea of Universe 7 losing fighters faster while Universe 11 maintains a perfect record. Kale/Kefla's rampage in the last chapter kind of threw a wrench in that though, since Universe 7 once again has the numbers advantage.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#85996: Aug 13th 2018 at 8:25:50 PM

What interview? We also have the anime staff saying that Toriyama didn't even explain why they were there.

What? I could have sworn someone posted an interview on this thread from Toriyama saying he wanted to show those guys could still do stuff.

I'm like 95% positive it was a thing.

...Of course, finding it will be a bitch.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#85997: Aug 14th 2018 at 3:14:33 AM

It occurs to me that Roshi is still in the tournament in the manga. When the only opponents are Kafla, Toppo, Dyspo, and Jiren. Either Roshi's going to do something absolutely absurd to contribute, or he'll just be wasted without doing anything cool, like Krillin and Tenshinhan were, except even worse because he actually stuck around for a long time.

It's also really weird that Kale's whole rampage took place before the half-way point.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#85998: Aug 14th 2018 at 3:58:04 AM

Because dichotomies are the only way to go.

Right now I'm thinking he'll be involved in Dyspo/Kahseral's elimination since I expect Kafla to take Dyspo's place in the Gohan/Freeza team-up. Dyspo doesn't appear to be God-tier since Toppo used some sort of 'God aura' to get that strong which might be exclusive to being a Hakaishin candidate.

On the other hand, 17 might fight Dyspo given how both fared against Goku.

Another alternative is that Roshi goes out without some big moment, and instead serves to show that the chaotic nature of the tournament means that even someone weak like that could last that long.

That'd be ideal, but I won't hold out hope. Toyo used the other humans appropriately but I can't help but feel Roshi hanging on is because there's some plan for him.

My biggest fear is that he gets some sexist moment with Kafla.

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#85999: Aug 14th 2018 at 4:46:30 AM

Toyotarou eliminating Krillin and Tenshinhan in such a disrespectful manner actually offends me, and that's all I'll say on that because I don't want to start ranting.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#86000: Aug 14th 2018 at 4:50:27 AM

That’s funny cause them being eliminated so easily is only logical.

I mean Tien once got knocked by Super Buu’s legs.

Like literally just his legs. The blob was bisected & Tien couldn’t even handle his disembodied legs for a second.

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