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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#85926: Aug 10th 2018 at 8:14:40 PM

Unless we're using Minus, Goku was like every other Saiyan until his head damage. Piccolo genetically is still King Piccolo.

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#85927: Aug 10th 2018 at 8:51:11 PM

Well, Piccolo genetically right now is the Nameless Namekian but more Warrior Clan plus Nail, but yeah, his DNA at the time it was taken for Cell would've been King Piccolo but in the Warrior Clan.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#85928: Aug 10th 2018 at 8:52:29 PM

Not a huge loss for Cell. Special Beam Cannon is way cooler than Light Grenade.

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#85929: Aug 10th 2018 at 9:03:48 PM

I find myself agreeing with Lani and Kaiser here. Dragon Ball Super: Broly is the most Dragon Ball-looking the anime has been in a very long time.

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#85930: Aug 11th 2018 at 4:48:59 PM

I've always wondered what Dr Gero's actual goal was for Cell once he became perfect, since the only source we have is Cell's own biased opinion. It's never said that it's to kill Goku, considering when Cell is "born" he'd probably assume Goku is dead. And Goku was dead for twenty years in the Alternate Timeline Cell came from upon his "birth".

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#85931: Aug 11th 2018 at 5:02:57 PM

I think that at some point, Gero just went full Misanthrope. He was still planning to conquer the world after Goku was dead. He probably made Cell to facilitate that.

Plus, I'm pretty sure he hated everyone and everything but his dead son and wife, so I doubt Cell was wrong.

Gero's a DBZ villain. Asshole is his default state of being.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#85932: Aug 11th 2018 at 5:05:08 PM

Dr Gero never planned for Cell to take that long. It was almost definitely intended as a way to kill Goku (or take over the world) but it was only after Gero had started working on it that it began taking too long and he gave it to the computer to complete.

Goku would definitely still be alive by the time Cell was completed if not for the heart virus or one of Gero's other creations killing him. It's a big assumption to think that Gero was sure he would have perfected one of his other creations by then, given the difficulty and number of prototypes he went through.

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#85933: Aug 11th 2018 at 5:06:22 PM

Gero threw a lot of spaghetti at the wall to see what stuck, it seems.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#85935: Aug 11th 2018 at 5:42:26 PM

A stopped clock kills Goku once a day, as they say

And then he came back to life anyway so was it reeeeeeeeeeeeeally a success?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#85936: Aug 11th 2018 at 5:46:10 PM

Yes it was.

Just because he came back to life later on doesn’t take away from the fact Cell accomplished his mission in killing Goku.

The issue is he got killed by an unexpected factor, his far stronger son.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#85937: Aug 11th 2018 at 5:54:21 PM

I agree.

Just because something happened that undid the effort, doesn't mean that Cell killing Goku shouldn't count as Gero accomplishing his goal.

...So Tien stopping Semi Imperfect Cell still counts. Mwa ha ha!

<Drops a mic>

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#85938: Aug 11th 2018 at 8:23:24 PM

Under that definition, it still didn't.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#85939: Aug 11th 2018 at 8:28:23 PM

I want to see a five page essay justifying why.

..Or you could just ignore me. That's also a fair response.

But seriously, how is the Tien thing still his actions not mattering, but Goku coming back after Cell killed him still a victory for Gero? I mean, it's the exact same thing.

Someone wants to do something, does it, and then another character does something that undoes what the first character did. They are almost totally the exact same thing.

I'm actually legitimately curious about this.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#85940: Aug 11th 2018 at 8:49:34 PM

Nothing undid Ten's efforts...

What he did didn't work to begin with. What Ten was trying to do was buy time for 18 to escape. She didn't. Effort Wasted.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#85941: Aug 11th 2018 at 9:05:41 PM

Right. I had a response, but my computer decided to be stupid and make me wait 20 minutes to write one sentence.

It has successfully frustrated me into just saying you win, because I no longer care about the argument. Not when I’m gonna be forced to wait half an hour to say one word. I’m actually dictating this on my phone.

So I’ll end it here.

Tien sucks. So does my computer.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#85942: Aug 11th 2018 at 9:09:21 PM

Well Krillen sucks actually.

Tien didn't do anything wrong, Krillen was the one who bungled everything like a dumbass.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#85943: Aug 11th 2018 at 9:17:48 PM

[up][up]You're right based on a technicality proven by the testament of internet discussions.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#85944: Aug 11th 2018 at 9:22:33 PM

[up]x5 Because nothing undid Ten's actions.

He tried to buy time and failed because 18 and 16 couldn't get away from Cell.

It's not that Vegeta and Kuririn undid Ten's actions - Kuririn only chose not to use the remote, and Vegeta stayed out of Cell's way/prevented Trunks from helping. Therefore, if Vegeta, Kuririn and Trunks hadn't shown up, Cell would have still absorbed 18 despite the delay.

So, if you go super literal about it, Ten failed.

Edited by Saiga on Aug 12th 2018 at 2:24:38 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#85945: Aug 11th 2018 at 9:23:12 PM

[up][up][up]

Krillin and Vegeta...you could even argue Trunks if you're feeling vindictive.

But mainly Krillin and Vegeta.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Aug 11th 2018 at 10:22:58 AM

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#85946: Aug 11th 2018 at 9:26:02 PM

Speaking of what is called the "Cell Saga"

I don't think anyone posted the Mistarefusion video. Its not wholly but it is partially about how Tien is a dumbass.

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 11th 2018 at 12:25:40 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#85947: Aug 11th 2018 at 9:26:16 PM

It's not that Vegeta and Kuririn undid Ten's actions - Kuririn only chose not to use the remote, and Vegeta stayed out of Cell's way/prevented Trunks from helping. Therefore, if Vegeta, Kuririn and Trunks hadn't shown up, Cell would have still absorbed 18 despite the delay.

See, this made me want to argue the point again. Then I remembered that 18's refusal to abandon 16 slowed her down enough that when Cell started destroying islands to root her out, she couldn't escape.

So we could say that's the only reason she would get caught. If not for 16, Cell would have never found her due to her not having any energy to even sense.

...I guess my desire to argue with Saiga trumps all else. Thank you man.tongue

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#85948: Aug 11th 2018 at 9:30:38 PM

It's a good thing he brought up more detail...that was necessary for you to make the comeback.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#85949: Aug 11th 2018 at 9:57:06 PM

That's why he's the pope.

Watched the video. Well, we all accept at this point that, barring Krillin, the other three human fighters are just fall guys. They are just really there to fill space in the end.

Some of the stuff Fusion brings up (especially about how Piccolo must feel about the direction his life is taking) is really interesting. You don't see it until he brings it up, but it makes sense.

While I'd normally say that Toriyama wasn't thinking that far or considering that (and it's very possible he wasn't) I don't always give him the credit he deserves, so it's very possible that Piccolo's reaction was more than just getting him to go to Kami's, and had a more organic root than I'd ever realized.

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#85950: Aug 11th 2018 at 10:50:06 PM

You know, Tenshinhan wondering why Piccolo freaked out and where he went never made sense, but it would actually make much more sense for Trunks to be asking those questions. Considering how, you know, Trunks doesn't know Piccolo's past or about Kami's Lookout, while Tenshinhan fought Piccolo and has trained on Kami's Lookout.


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