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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#85801: Jul 29th 2018 at 7:14:43 PM

[up][up] We already have that, with Freeza. It's not arbitrary if it's a result of Kaio-ken and Kamehameha multipliers not stacking.

[up] Goku and Freeza's battle powers should be tied before taking into consideration the KHH. And look at Raditz (1,500) doing a similar block to Goku's BP 924 Kamehameha.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#85802: Jul 29th 2018 at 8:05:06 PM

There's no reason that Freeza, at 60 million, shouldn't be able to block an attack at 75-90 million. Sure, it's gonna do damage, but it's not gonna kill Freeza outright. Hell, the Spirit Bomb was most likely stronger than Freeza's 100% power (since remember, Goku can do math and Freeza's been openly telling him what percent of power he's at), and Freeza survived that fine.

It's no different than 100% Freeza at 120 million being able to block punches from Super Saiyan Goku at 150 million, an attack that is marginally stronger than you is not going to completely destroy you.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 29th 2018 at 8:08:50 AM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#85803: Jul 29th 2018 at 9:51:26 PM

That really does not match previous uses of Kamehameha, like Raditz or Nappa - both were more powerful than the attack they deflected with one hand, but it wasn't easy for Raditz and it stung Nappa's hands.

I can't think of any other example of a character blocking a stronger attack with one hand.

The Spirit Bomb example doesn't really support anything because either way, Goku was wrong about it being enough to beat Freeza. If it's possible to tank an attack that is twice as strong as you than Goku should have known that.

Also, your interepretation gives the KHH an arbitrarily lower multiplier.

Edited by Saiga on Jul 30th 2018 at 2:53:23 AM

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#85804: Jul 29th 2018 at 11:03:34 PM

It's discussions like these that remind me of a wise man's words:

Abridged!Vegeta: Power levels are bullshit!

ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
Dinosaur Hunter
#85805: Jul 29th 2018 at 11:05:52 PM

I read a power level once. I hated it.

You are not alone.
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#85806: Jul 29th 2018 at 11:10:36 PM

Yeah it is becoming increasingly clear that power levels were not meant to hold up to this level of scrutiny.

Darthwyn leader of Inherit from The void Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
leader of Inherit
#85807: Jul 29th 2018 at 11:11:34 PM

Yeah the numbers just commplicate matters and make a mess of things in the long. Which would explain why they stopped being used.

"Shall I use you, or make you mine... I'm not so sure what I'll do." - Dorthy
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85808: Jul 29th 2018 at 11:19:59 PM

It’s why I hate math.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
Dinosaur Hunter
#85809: Jul 29th 2018 at 11:22:45 PM

I'd love to see someone try and win a martial arts tournament with math.

You are not alone.
XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#85810: Jul 30th 2018 at 8:12:04 AM

[up] Chapter 11: Bankruptcy!


Move over Sherlock, Conan, and Pikachu, cause there's a new Prince of All Detectives in town!

This limited release side-mission in Super Dragon Ball Heroes involves missing chocolate ice cream - Vegeta's very own! With no real leads, Vegeta goes around town interrogating his closest allies for answers!


Also, this golden quote from the comments section:

Join The Great Detective Vegeta and his Consulting partner Dr. Cabba, as he solves mysteries throughout the universe. Even if he has beat down every suspect with his great "interrogation techniques".

Watch as exciting cases unfold such as "The Mystery of the Missing Royal Sibling", "Universe 12 The First Time Traveler", "The Long Lost Sneezing Woman", "Will The REAL Legendary Super Saiyan Please Stand Up!", "Where or who are Android 17's Family?", "Where is The Reincarnated Kid Buu?", "The Mysterious Toribot" and many more!

G.D. Vegeta:" I am the greatest Detective of all Saiyans!!!"

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Jul 30th 2018 at 11:11:53 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#85811: Jul 30th 2018 at 8:22:09 AM

Great Detective...Vegeta?

I mean, are we expected to believe he knows actual detective techniques, or is he just gonna...

With no real leads, Vegeta goes around town interrogating his closest allies for answers!

Welp! Ask a stupid question huh? This'll be a good laugh!

In regards to the Galick Gun issue, the only logical explanation is that both Goku and Vegeta had their powers lowered (Goku enough that he needed to use X4 even though at X3 his Kamehameha should have been stronger) and Vegeta enough that he still had the power to destroy the planet.

Cause if you don't except that the Galick Gun did have a multiplier, that's all that's left, unless we're just gonna say Toriyama didn't think of it, which a few are saying, but for once, I don't want to go there.

Plus, I don't want to ruin a cool moment by bringing too much logic into it.

Edit: Wait, just caught the the cases:

Watch as exciting cases unfold such as "The Mystery of the Missing Royal Sibling",

Are we seeing the return of Tarble?

"Universe 12 The First Time Traveler",

I have been wondering about that one.

" The Long Lost Sneezing Woman ",

Hell Yeah!

"Will The REAL Legendary Super Saiyan Please Stand Up!",

<Kale raises her hand, only to be decked upside the head by Broly>

"Where or who are Android 17's Family?", "Where is The Reincarnated Kid Buu?", "The Mysterious Toribot" and many more!

Heh. It would be nice to actually see 17's family, Kid Buu ain't in the cards yet (or ever it seems) and Toribot does whatever the hell he wants...which isn't a shock really.

G.D. Vegeta:" I am the greatest Detective of all Saiyans!!!"

Well, when you're the only game in town...

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jul 30th 2018 at 9:27:10 AM

One Strip! One Strip!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#85812: Jul 30th 2018 at 10:46:12 AM

One thing I'm looking forward to seeing in the movie are the character designs across the board. We've seen the designs for the principal characters, but I really want to see everyone else.

Particularly because, given the Art Shift in character designs we've already seen from the movie, I'm really hoping this is the point the franchise moves on from the "make them look as identical to the 'iconic' Buu Saga designs as possible, without updating as the story goes on" fixation. That really bugged me in Super, especially in regards to the kids.

I have no words for Detective Vegeta. I wish I did, but I can't think of anything funny enough.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 30th 2018 at 10:46:21 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#85813: Jul 30th 2018 at 11:01:32 AM

[up][up]...Rob, that's a comment.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#85814: Jul 30th 2018 at 11:50:08 AM

obviously Freezer survived the bomb cause he's like 90% pure evil

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#85815: Jul 30th 2018 at 7:32:32 PM

Did Toriyama do the Broccoli redesign for the new movie?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85816: Jul 30th 2018 at 7:37:13 PM

Yes he did.

He usually always does the designs.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#85817: Jul 31st 2018 at 10:52:46 PM

Gotendo doesn't sound like he's 20+ here, for sure...

Chi-Chi is alright with him going lost in space? Okay then.

Swear Veggie was gonna say a juvenile "Your MOM's a company."

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#85818: Aug 2nd 2018 at 1:44:23 AM

wild mass guessDragon Ball Super: Broly will reveal that Broly and Goku were both subjected to genetic experimentation as babies involving S-Cells, which is why Broly is so absurdly strong. Instead of using this to prop Goku up as special from birth, however, it will invert expectations. Broly is so strong because he was given a bunch of Goku's stolen S-Cells. Goku actually started off weak and was made even weaker before he had to train to get where he is.wild mass guess

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#85819: Aug 2nd 2018 at 1:54:28 AM

It's never made clear whether Ginyu's purple horned body is the one he was born with. I'm wondering that if he was born in that body, how exactly does Jeice know he can switch bodies or how Ginyu is familiar with his own body switch. Is he just bad at finding new bodies and has to bail back to his old flesh and blood?

Also, while Voices Are Mental is there in the anime because it's convenient, is Voices Are Mental the case in manga? Like Goku's text is different when Ginyu is in him, or do people go "wait, why does Goku sound weird?"

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#85820: Aug 2nd 2018 at 2:04:39 AM

I believe it was said somewhere official that the purple horned body is not Ginyu's original.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#85821: Aug 2nd 2018 at 5:55:30 AM

I heard a thing where if he stays in a body long enough it gets purple and horny but I have no idea if I made that up or whether it's an actual thing

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#85822: Aug 2nd 2018 at 5:14:40 PM

So...

I do wonder if Toriyama will start looking to the movies for some inspiration. Sure, Broly is the biggest example, but as we've mentioned before, it technically began with that single panel of Bardock during the Frieza saga all those years ago.

That being said, I don't know the overall opinion of Coola, but I'd hope Toriyama wound't ditch his own form (which isn't apparently a fifth form). I like how it's so different from Frieza's final form. I think I mentioned before the idea that maybe in the aftermath of Frieza's death Coola trained and achieved a stronger state, represented by that transformation, like a sorta proto-golden form (or something like that, as it has been a while). Anyway, I also remember someone saying that Coola spoke in a far more rough manner than Frieza or his dad, perhaps emphasizing his Black Sheep nature.

Masako always talks about Toei, but it's really up to Toriyama for certain things (though he did show a willingness to use the secondary cast since Resurrection F, even if it was poorly done), so maybe we can see something.

That being said, despite mentioning his movie, I'm surprised Masako left out Bojack (then again, I think I'm the only person who cares about Bojack). I've mentioned before that nothing in his movie contradicts the series and he kinda slots in pretty well, so making him canon isn't really that hard.

That being said, if Toriyama did decide to dip into movie villains, he'd likely revamp them like he did with Bardock background (and Goku's as well), and now Broly. We all know he does things his own way. Time will tell if it will work out though.

One Strip! One Strip!
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#85823: Aug 2nd 2018 at 5:47:33 PM

If another villain made the jump to Super I'd want Android 21 to get an arc.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#85824: Aug 2nd 2018 at 6:01:58 PM
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#85825: Aug 2nd 2018 at 6:09:44 PM

[up][up]Agreed. As long as they explain some stuff a bit better than Fighterz did, like what exactly 21 is and what exactly is her relationship with 16.


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