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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#85776: Jul 29th 2018 at 4:56:47 PM

For the record, the Kamehameha Goku fired against Raditz raised his BP by about 222% (or 2.22 times). Raditz said that the number was still rising so it could be more.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#85777: Jul 29th 2018 at 5:08:28 PM

Right, so maybe Vegeta's Galick Gun had a Power Level of 35-40,000, not 50,000. That might have been an overestimation on my part.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 29th 2018 at 5:08:24 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#85778: Jul 29th 2018 at 5:11:49 PM

Um yeah. In order to be even with Goku's Kamehameha at Kaioken X3, there had to be a multiplier on the Galick Gun.

Otherwise, 18,000 Vegeta would not have been able to hold it back.

I mean, unless we're all missing something here Saiga, you may have to give this one to PMC.

...And now, I believe Saiga will rally himself to find an answer.

Nothing inspire like wanting to be right on the Internet.tongue

Plus, I'm genuinely curious if we're all forgetting something here.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#85779: Jul 29th 2018 at 5:17:33 PM

He's probably just going to repeat his statement that Goku's injuries made him weaker, despite the fact that Vegeta had easily taken more damage than Goku had at that point in the battle.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#85780: Jul 29th 2018 at 5:19:53 PM

I think I agree that it makes more sense for the Galick Gun to have a multiplier, but I don't think I buy Vegeta being more injured that Goku.

He had certainly taken more hits, but the Kaioken had been wrecking Goku.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#85781: Jul 29th 2018 at 5:22:15 PM

Right. I actually wrote a post on how Saiga could argue, but since I want him to be wrong, I erased it.

So yeah. Be wrong Saiga.

Not that I'm bitter or anything.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#85782: Jul 29th 2018 at 5:38:27 PM

He's been wrong before.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#85783: Jul 29th 2018 at 5:43:00 PM

All the relevant posts on the next page were thumped. Suspiciously so...

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85785: Jul 29th 2018 at 5:49:47 PM

Alright here’s a fun question, would you all be against to a musical episode?

Like just seeing Goku & Vegeta busting out show-tunes? tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#85786: Jul 29th 2018 at 5:52:28 PM

I'd watch it.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#85787: Jul 29th 2018 at 5:52:48 PM

...

Show-Tunes make everything better.

In-universe you'd either have to convince them it's good training, tell them they'll be fighting people while singing...

...or unleash this unholy abomination:

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#85788: Jul 29th 2018 at 5:56:50 PM

The Para Para Dance is the best thing in all of Dragon Ball and no one can convince me otherwise.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85789: Jul 29th 2018 at 5:58:05 PM

I’m thinking a villain comes in & forces the show to run on musical logic with coordinated singing & dancing busting out of nowhere.

Like the Music Meister from Batman: The Brave and The Bold.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#85790: Jul 29th 2018 at 6:03:36 PM

The main characters of Dragon Ball singing and dancing is the only thing I've ever wanted. We got a short duet between Roshi and Goku before their big fight, but that wasn't enough. I want MORE.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#85791: Jul 29th 2018 at 6:32:37 PM

I like how everyone's posts about Saiga being wrong was thumped. It's like the universe doesn't want him to be wrong lol.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#85792: Jul 29th 2018 at 6:39:24 PM

In better news.

Rejoice. The emperor of the Universe has returned.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#85793: Jul 29th 2018 at 6:41:06 PM

Glorious. Hope he recovers in time to voice him in the Tournament of Power and Broly.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#85794: Jul 29th 2018 at 6:45:37 PM

I didn't really care but things got pretty ridiculous/personal from that, hence the thumps.

Anyway, Galick Gun having a multiplier is a straight up contradiction for the reasons I stated. This still could be possible (early instalment weirdness) but I don't find it the most logical answer.

Goku's BP with Kaio-ken x20 was 60,000,000. 50% Freeza had a BP of 60,000,000. If Goku had a 2.22x multiplier on top of that he would have easily overpowering Freeza, and had more power than his 100%. Even a 1.25x multiplier should allow it to overpower Freeza.

The Galick Gun was never re-used in the series, so that doesn't matter, and the Final Flash was created after Vegeta learned to control his battle power.

Dodoria and Zarbon were shocked to discover Vegeta could raise his battle power to 24,000 in the Namek arc. They were shocked by this without the context of him doing this by powering up. That doesn't make sense if he could do that all along by preparing a Galick Gun.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#85795: Jul 29th 2018 at 6:54:22 PM

Woooooow, we weren't even being serious (well I wasn't anyway), I just enjoyed taking the piss out of the whole thing.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Jul 29th 2018 at 9:54:11 AM

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#85796: Jul 29th 2018 at 6:57:37 PM

Yeah, I suppose that makes sense, but then that means that Goku just lost an entire multiplier's worth of power when fighting Vegeta while Vegeta stayed near enough to max. While the characters do lose power as they fight and expend ki, the idea that Goku lost so much while Vegeta apparently didn't just doesn't sit right with me. I guess you could chalk that up to the Kaiouken wrecking Goku's body which made him expend ki faster. It makes logical sense and works within the series' lore.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#85797: Jul 29th 2018 at 7:01:07 PM

[up]Honestly, I considered the same thing.

Either that, or both of their battle powers dropped enough that they were were relatively equal when they clashed.

Though I'm significantly worried about what I said back in that linked to post that I got myself thumped. I don't do that very often, so it bothers the hell out of me.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#85798: Jul 29th 2018 at 7:08:39 PM

[up][up] I don't think he lost that much.

If we use the Freeza example to postulate that the Kaio-ken Kamehameha does not have an additional multiplier on top of it, then it's just Goku losing enough that his KK 3 is even with Vegeta.

Like, Goku could go from 8,000 -> 5,000 and Vegeta from 18,000 -> 15,000 and they'd be deadlocked.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#85799: Jul 29th 2018 at 7:10:22 PM

[up] That's certainly possible but then you run into the problem that the Kamehameha is stronger than the person using it except when it's not.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#85800: Jul 29th 2018 at 7:10:31 PM

But wasn't Goku's Kaioken x20 Kamehameha almost enough to actually damage Freeza? The fact that Freeza felt he had to block it, and looked visibility afraid by it means it must've been far more powerful than the norm.

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