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I don’t know it still kinda feels like he cares about that.
Though he does become an actual buttmonkey whenever Beerus is involved.
I know everyone has to kowtow to the Big B but Vegeta makes it looks so undignified.
Edited by slimcoder on Jul 24th 2018 at 2:57:14 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."That's a fallacy, there's no real way of gauging Tien's power level since he has such a minor role in the Boo arc, so you can't say he might be stronger.
Yamcha's statement isn't really the only confirmation, its mainly the fact Krillin has progressively gained more power through other means while Tien has not.
I don't care how much Tien has trained, because its been shown repeatedly that simply is not enough to gain a large amount of power in the end.
It just feels really...petty? "Haha, let's laugh at Vegeta for being weaker than literally a handful of guys despite the fact that he's still stronger than a majority of the cast."
Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Jul 24th 2018 at 6:01:15 AM
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.I like Vegeta until sort of part way through the Cell/Buu saga where his shtick gets really, really old and grating. (though the Buu arc does few people any real favours except Mr. Satan). There is nothing special about him by that point. Every other Saiyan or half-Saiyan character has interesting stuff about their attacks except him and Gohan by that point.
Krillin has absolutely no feats in the manga at anywhere near "attack that actively hinders Semi-perfect Cell". It is difficult to gauge where "intercepts ki blast from Super Buu with Kikoho" lies. But he doesn't need that, because Krillin doesn't have anything in either caliber.
If you were having a debate about Cell Saga or Buu Saga Krillin and Cell Saga or Buu Saga Tien feats are going to matter more than anything.
Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Jul 24th 2018 at 10:08:25 AM
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"In all seriousness I just dislike what Super did with him.
There’s wasting Frost to prop him up, runining the beauty of the Vegeta jobbing from having it happen like 3 times with no actual purpose, that annoying Saiyan wanking speech towards Belmoud, & honestly as amusing as it is his interactions with Beerus makes him look like a really, really, REALLY sad & pathetic loser.
Edited by slimcoder on Jul 24th 2018 at 3:08:49 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."I think Bluer Saiyan was the worst thing to happen to Vegeta in Super. He prides himself into a new, stupid power-up from nowhere that still does jack all and accomplished nothing. All because Goku got a power-up. Vegeta can't just not get something. That would be terrible. The fans would riot.
Edited by Zeromaeus on Jul 24th 2018 at 6:14:23 AM
I'm just saying, half the fun of dragon ball is filling in the blanks, and characters like Yamcha and Tien have alot of blanks to what happened with them. I don't even care about then, the speed training idea just makes him more interesting to me, even if it's completely meaningless because he's still nearly useless against any plot-relevant threats. I've built up an explanation for why Yamcha has the worst track record (In short, it's because he's the only Z fighter who's had to heal a career-ending injury without the help of senzu or dragonballs.) and even though it was never stated or even implied, it makes perfect sense. Was it intentional? Of course not, but it fits, so I'm keeping it. Toriyama once spent a chapter of Doctor Slump explaining away plotholes that fans pointed out while making it clear that he was making it up on the spot so I like to think that he'd encourage fans to do this sort of thing with Dragon Ball.
I mean, Super fucked up everyone. Vegeta isn't special in that regard lol.
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And once again, people overrate the hell out of Tien's moment', its literally a "positive" example of Never Live It Down and it's the only'' thing people will use to claim Tien's worth and literally nothing else.
Like, if you literally take it out, there's nothing to suggest he's stronger than Krillin and people cling so desperately to it. And the funny, it literally amounts to nothing 18 still gets absorbed anyway, so what exactly did Tien accomplish but almost killing himself?
I'm just really tired of that moment being the only thing people fucking use when they have to prop up Tien over Krillin, and they have to make it seem like a bigger deal than it actually is to justify it. Like, what is actually wrong with just accepting that he's not strong?
Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Jul 24th 2018 at 6:17:22 AM
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And his takedown of Toppo was an asspull done in the most boring manner possible.
And by boring I mean have it go about in the typical “protag is in a corner but after an emotional boost he suddenly deals a curb-stomp towards his previously superior opponent who suddenly becomes weaker or a worse fighter than he was before.”
Plus defiling the Final Explosion which is a big no, no.
Edited by slimcoder on Jul 24th 2018 at 3:26:42 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Ten has his volleyball technique...that's something.
He must've taught it to both Gotendo and Trunks before leaving his friends forever.
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You still haven't provided any evidence for Krillin being stronger. If you don't want to debate then that's fine but don't act like it doesn't put him above Krillin in Z because it definitely does. You're right that it's one thing - but one thing is all it takes to prove one character is stronger than another, and Krillin has absolutely no feats in that area to possibly compete.
"And the funny, it literally amounts to nothing 18 still gets absorbed anyway, so what exactly did Tien accomplish but almost killing himself?"
Completely irrelevant to which is stronger, but it should be noted - since this is a Krillin V Tien discussion - that had Krillin just blown 18 up and then wished her back with the Dragonballs instead of destroying the remote it would have been a pretty decent accomplishment.
And even then the entire Cell arc is an exercise in stupidity from virtually every party involved at least once and had they just gone after Gero when they were warned it would have all been over in a snap.
Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Jul 24th 2018 at 10:49:37 AM
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"Because as I said, Krillin literally had a power up that Tien never had. By the end of Namek, Krillin had 75,000 iirc. So unless Tien got an offscreen power up that we don't know about, I don't get how you can say he's stronger.
And like I said, you're still citing one moment and nothing else. And you're conveniently forgetting that Tien did no visible damage to Cell whatsoever. So in what way does that moment "confirm" he's stronger than Krillin?
Like I said, people cling so desperately to this moment but literally have nothing else to support it...so my question remains, if you took out that moment, how in what way could you say that Tien is still stronger?
Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Jul 24th 2018 at 6:48:02 AM
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.I don't know how he got stronger. King Kai training? But I don't need to know, any more than I need to know how Goten and Trunks figured out Super Saiyan 3. They just do. If you're arguing that it doesn't make sense then I can at least understand where you're coming from but I could find dozens of examples of things that don't make sense all over Dragonball. Just for one specific example, it took Roshi 50 years to develop the Kamehameha and within the span of three arcs four seperate characters use it, three of them explicitly extemporaneously.
Have you got a specific Daizenshuu reference for Tien's power level being less than Krillin's? I've been looking for one but can't find it.
Because without that, Tien is stronger. You can't ask me to literally ignore the manga, the main source we have. Raditz was able to block a ki attack that was only 200 power level below his, which means whatever Tien was able to rev the Kikoho up to it was within spitting distance of Semi-Perfect Cell even if it was only able to push him down and scuff him up.
Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Jul 24th 2018 at 10:56:43 AM
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"Ten fought Trunks in the Bojack movie to stale until ssj happened.
Kriller fought Piccoro in the Bojack movie and had a hard time...
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Well, it was more a hammer to the back of the neck...
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.If someone told me that Goku getting knocked out then was intentional so he didn't hurt Vegeta's pride or something dumb like that then I would totally believe it because it could not possibly be stupider than 70% of the decisions taken in the Buu saga.
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"Which reminds me, why is it that so many Dragon Ball fans treat Gohan's two out of character moments as his actual characterization? To the point where only those versions of him are playable in Fighter Z?
They're clearly trying to make Krillin the strongest earthling/human even though I'm more incline to believe Tien is the strongest. Krillin still had his potential unlock by Guru & whatever he did in the forest of illusions or whatever the hell it's called. Meanwhile Tien has a shitastic performance despite having nothing better to do other than training & apparently farming.
Because you really, really can't ignore the official debut of SSJ 2. Let alone how T!Gohan manhandle Cell.
Edited by agent-trunks on Jul 24th 2018 at 4:13:13 AM
Have you got a specific Daizenshuu reference for Tien's power level being less than Krillin's? I've been looking for one but can't find it.
Because without that, Tien is stronger. You can't ask me to literally ignore the manga, the main source we have. Raditz was able to block a ki attack that was only 200 power level below his, which means whatever Tien was able to rev the Kikoho up to it was within spitting distance of Semi-Perfect Cell even if it was only able to push him down and scuff him up.
Tien's last stated power level was somewhere around 1,000's range, Krillin's last stated power level was 75k. Toriyama himself said Krillin is the strongest.
That's already two references there that confirm Krillin is stronger, one of them being from Toriyama himself. And if you're going to call BS on Toriyama's word, then you still have Krillin's aforementioned power level. If you're gonna call BS on that, then this whole argument is meaningless and you're arguing over nothing.
To me, it just really sounds like you're so desperate to believe Tien is stronger because he somehow "deserves" it, especially when your argument essentially is boiling down to "He scuffed Cell up a little, so he MUST BE STRONGER, ABSOLUTELY". Characters don't deserve shit, and I don't care if you feel like Tien "should" be stronger.
So unless you got some other outside source, I don't get why it's such a big deal that he's weaker than Krillin.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.

Technically if we go by feats he hasn't fallen behind Krillin till Super. There is Yamcha's statement and Toriyama's statement, but A. Yamcha's statement was to Krillin's child daughter and he hasn't seen Tien in 7 years and B. Toriyama also claims that Roshi was Nappa level during the Saiyan saga.
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"