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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#85476: Jul 21st 2018 at 12:19:12 PM

Thinking about how heavily Super leans on nostalgia, I've been comparing it to another series that the nostalgia is also a big part of, but I think handles it better: The Legend of Korra.

Admittedly they're different in that Korra is a full-on sequel series, while Super largely has the same cast, but the callbacks to older characters and moments generally feel more natural and earned in Korra than in Super, to me, which is surprising because again, Super is still mostly using those old characters.

While the Korra expands on the world, it mostly does so by already existing concepts, not creating entirely new ones or throwing out how bending used to work in the old series to be more "cool".

I think Korra understood how to give spotlight to older character while maintaining that this wasn't the "good old days".

So while Legend of Korra was far from perfect, there are at least a few aspects where I think Super being more like it would be a good thing.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 21st 2018 at 3:40:45 AM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#85477: Jul 21st 2018 at 12:22:57 PM

That's probably the most praise I've heard for Korra lol

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#85478: Jul 21st 2018 at 12:24:53 PM

Well, that's another reason I think the comparison is apt, considering how they both have a fair share of controversy among their respective fandoms over their actual quality.

It's just something I was thinking off because I know a lot of people were like "Have Katara, Zuko, and Toph wreck the villains themselves!" or something like than and I was always "Well, no, it's good to see them, but this isn't their story anymore."

Edited by LSBK on Jul 21st 2018 at 3:27:02 AM

vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
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#85479: Jul 21st 2018 at 12:51:12 PM

This isn’t their story anymore

That seems right to me

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85480: Jul 21st 2018 at 1:26:23 PM

It also brought us some of the best villains ever, Amon & Zaheer were real highlights of their respective seasons.

Also watching Kung Fun Panda 2, specifically the battle between Lord Shen & the 3 masters makes me think DB should step up its fight choreography.

I don’t know maybe add some actual martial arts to the fights or something, give it some spice.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#85481: Jul 21st 2018 at 1:35:49 PM

[up]

What kind of moves are we talking here?

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agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
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#85482: Jul 21st 2018 at 1:39:45 PM

[up]x5

That's kind of crap why I don't take people seriously. Because good just isn't good enough

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#85483: Jul 21st 2018 at 1:45:34 PM

Trying to convince people that good is good, eh?

Nice attempt.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#85484: Jul 21st 2018 at 1:49:12 PM

[up][up][up] Uhhhh like I recall one mention of how Basil’s kicking style is a bit stale.

I say add in some capoeira for example.

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agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
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#85485: Jul 21st 2018 at 1:50:30 PM

[up][up]

Hey, if you got a gripe with Korra fine by me. I just don't like it when people exacerbate a complaint, but hey, that's just internet in general.

Edited by agent-trunks on Jul 21st 2018 at 1:52:36 AM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#85486: Jul 21st 2018 at 1:51:55 PM

Korra? I believe that's the avatar, yes?

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agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#85487: Jul 21st 2018 at 1:56:20 PM

Pretty sure there's miscommunication here so I'm just going shut up & get the hell out of here

TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
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#85488: Jul 21st 2018 at 2:05:55 PM

I would like to see higher level choreography, just look at how cool ultra instinct looked. It is still a martial arts series deep down, so more varied styles beyond high speed mid-air kickboxing would be cool. Give Vegeta some more military inspired movements and Goku more Mixed martial arts, maybe have Hits style evolve into a mix of obscure fighting styles to make him feel really alien.

Heck show the difference in skill with how each character throws a punch if you can.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#85490: Jul 21st 2018 at 2:16:58 PM

Universe 10 flirted with the concept of having characters use real martial arts, but most of their fighters flopped no matter the medium. Literally the only slightly notable one was Napapa. I do really love how different Hit's fighting style is.

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#85491: Jul 21st 2018 at 2:19:54 PM

They could pretty much only do that by completely resetting the power scale and starting over with an entirely new cast. Which they'll never do.

You'd also probably almost certainly need a company other than Toei doing it and that'll never happen. Or at least have Toei start giving a damn about making Dragon Ball be a quality work. Which will never happen.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#85492: Jul 21st 2018 at 2:31:36 PM

If only different fighting styles were a thing...

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#85493: Jul 21st 2018 at 4:28:16 PM

Yeah. I think the power scale is at a point where variance in fighting styles isn't really going to happen.

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#85494: Jul 21st 2018 at 4:29:43 PM

It feels like one of those things like tails and filled in hair where Toriyama just got tired of drawing it.

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#85495: Jul 21st 2018 at 4:30:43 PM

I mean, fighting style doesn't really have anything to do with Power Level. No-one is suggesting the characters should be strong because of their fighting style, people are just saying that characters who are strong should also have different fighting styles.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#85496: Jul 21st 2018 at 4:31:26 PM

Yeah.

Dammit Toriyama! Why do you have to be so lazy?

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#85497: Jul 21st 2018 at 4:48:41 PM

Sorry to bring it back to this, but I just thought of something. I think the reason manga Kale rubbed me such the wrong way was because anime Kale actually had a character arc about getting over her self-hatred, while manga Kale was just... Broly. Anime Kale might have had more direct Broly references, but her issues stemmed from a completely different place and she grew past that over the course of the tournament, while manga Kale just went on a rampage. Anime Kale has a personality, she has ups and downs, she has wants and needs, and she has her own opinions. Manga Kale is just a mindless berserker, like Broly was.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#85498: Jul 21st 2018 at 5:02:36 PM

Ya know, on some level I can understand that. I really didn't care for Kale at all, but I guess there was an attempt at making her character stand on its own.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85499: Jul 21st 2018 at 5:06:53 PM

What’s pretty damning is that now since Broly is returning you no longer have any reason to care about that aspect of Kale.

I mean why have copy-cat when the original’s coming back?

Why look for Broly-references when you already have the real-thing?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#85500: Jul 21st 2018 at 5:07:49 PM

Because it's still disgusting.

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