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agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#85426: Jul 21st 2018 at 12:56:55 AM

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It's not like their presence contradicts anything. If anything else it expands the DBZ Verse. And South Kai is canon.

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That's pretty easy to believe given how he ignorant he is compare Elder Kai. Still doesn't make any sense how numbers are so low, especially since Freeza supposed to profit out of them.

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It's nice to not have to wait for months for it be officially release anymore. Can't say the same about the actual physical copies though.

Edited by agent-trunks on Jul 21st 2018 at 12:57:53 PM

TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#85427: Jul 21st 2018 at 1:04:04 AM

I dunno, with the number of planets Buu, Frieza and the Saiyans likely destroyed and a much smaller universe, 28 doesn't seem that far-fetched to me for some reason. Maybe it's just me not grasping the scale of our own universe. But from what we've seen, many planets in the DB universe have only a handful of the species on the entire planet, Namek had the most aside from earth and they had so few they could tell when a single village was missing. So Population scaling in Universe 7 seems fairly tiny anyways.

And Shin being bad at his job has basically been canon from day one, so maybe he didn't count planets that Frieza colonized, which would discount alot of planets and people on those planets, roughly 500 at least.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#85428: Jul 21st 2018 at 1:10:41 AM

To be fair Dragon Ball is hardly the worst offender of writers having no sense of scale but it is an egregious example. In the real world, the universe is huge and it is more than just a few planets.

Edited by GAP on Jul 21st 2018 at 1:23:58 AM

"Mai waifu."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85429: Jul 21st 2018 at 1:25:57 AM

Plus the reason for the small universe is just a poor excuse for them not to even consider looking beyond Earth for any possible new characters for the TOP.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#85430: Jul 21st 2018 at 1:44:35 AM

I will always be amaze how good & bad the manga is compare to the anime.

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If Buu & Beerus was still around, then sure, but Freeza puts a damper on that. Still, I wouldn't say it's impossible but it's hard to believe.

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That's very much true. I know a few people that didn't know that a solar system isn't on the same scale as a galaxy or a universe.

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They still had to come with more than 60 new characters. That's a difficult task as it is & quite frankly I'm not even surprise how many of them were one noted.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85431: Jul 21st 2018 at 1:54:18 AM

[up] That is true but the reason is just unnecessary.

It really ends up limiting the setting more than it has to be.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 21st 2018 at 1:54:06 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
Dinosaur Hunter
#85432: Jul 21st 2018 at 2:05:57 AM

Reading the new chapter...

Kale in full "I'll kick anyone's ass. I'll kick your ass. I'll kick my own ass." mode.

Edited by ShirowShirow on Jul 21st 2018 at 5:08:01 AM

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agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#85433: Jul 21st 2018 at 2:11:32 AM

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Normally I would agree with that especially on a universal scale that's unbelievably small but DBZ isn't Star Wars, Marvel, DC, or whatever other sci-fi there is. Unless they have the right people for job (which I seriously doubt) then 28 unknown planets is still a big number. And honestly it's not like we need to know what going what those 28 planet are doing.

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It's funny that's what I wanted Jiren to do that in the anime but to leave one contestant for each universe (with maybe universe 6 & 7 being the exception) to establish how powerful he is & to reinforce his super hero image. But that's not how it went & Jiren was just any other DB antagonist, an asshole. Speaking of which, that line where Jiren says "unnecessary" when Goku would've let him help his teammates better not be him making 180 on his character. Manga-Jiren (god that's such a stupid name) is already eons better than Anime-Jiren

Edited by agent-trunks on Jul 21st 2018 at 2:24:07 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#85434: Jul 21st 2018 at 2:53:07 AM

Read the chapter. Huh. How... anticlimactic. So, in this version, Kale eliminates anyone and everyone. She alone takes out all of the remaining fighters for Universes 2, 3, 4, and 10, erasing all four universes in quick succession. All these fighters who had great, creative, and heartfelt battles in the anime are eliminated easily and without a second thought. You thought the anime didn't properly carry the weight of each universal erasure? At least the anime gave each of them a moment of silence. Here, four whole universes are discarded like trash.

Oh, Kale's not done, she also eliminates Magetta and the U6 Namekians, dropping the number of fighters down to just the U6 Saiyans, U11, and the remaining U7 fighters. The Pride Troopers step in, and I'm honestly rooting for them to take Kale out, I don't even want Kafla anymore. Their teamwork seems to be working, as they are holding the advantage against Kale. Not a fan that the manga just completely dropped that all the Pride Troopers have individual superpowers, instead they're all just 'stock Dragon Ball fighter'. Turns out that Caulifla wasn't given the Potara Earrings, but stole them beforehand, and she fuses with an unconscious Kale.

Kafla wrecks the Pride Troopers, and Jiren seems to be his usual callous self, not thinking it necessary to step in and help them. Then Gohan shows up and says that he'll beat Kafla, and unless he's now as strong as a God of Destruction from training with Piccolo, I don't believe him. I'm in shock. This chapter might have broke me. I thought last month's chapter was pretty good, and I was curious to see what was gonna happen next, but this is just... I can't even. I'm so upset by this.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85435: Jul 21st 2018 at 3:10:07 AM

Whoa there on all the fighters having “great, creative, & heartfelt battles.”

Sure there were some good ones but let’s not give the anime any credit it doesn’t deserve.

Most of the fighters were pretty much scrubs in the end after all.

Lest not forget how much of an afterthought U4 was after their “trump-cards” went down without much difficulty.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 21st 2018 at 3:10:56 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Palkia62 Since: Feb, 2018
#85436: Jul 21st 2018 at 3:28:04 AM

Yh I didn't really care for most of the fighters, if not all of them from universe 2, 3, 4 and 10 in the anime so them being eliminated quickly doesn't anger me that much.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#85437: Jul 21st 2018 at 3:29:27 AM

Krillin and 18 vs Shousa
Pride Troopers vs Kale and Caulifla
Roshi vs Ganos
Gohan vs Obuni
Roshi and Vegeta vs Frost and Magetta
Goku vs Kale and Caulifla
Gohan and Piccolo vs Saonel and Pirina
Goku, 17, and 18 vs Rabanra, Zirloin, and Zarbuto
Gohan vs Koichiarator
U7 vs Anilaza

I don't care what you think of these fights, I loved every single one of them. Some of these are even among the highlights of the tournament for me. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be changed, but replace them with something better, not nothing at all.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85438: Jul 21st 2018 at 3:36:36 AM

Wait..... isn’t Shousa that green wolf that played possum?

What the Hell was memeorable about that fight?

The rest I think those are literally all the relative big fights.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 21st 2018 at 3:41:49 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#85439: Jul 21st 2018 at 3:41:47 AM

The fight itself was kind of meh, but the ping-pong ki move Krillin and 18 did was so well animated that it made it onto a Best Animated Moments of the Universal Survival Saga list, and I agree. That's really the only notable bit, but it is notable.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#85440: Jul 21st 2018 at 3:53:03 AM

I'm surprised that you didn't add any of Ribrianne's fights considering how many times you praised her.

Edit: Oh wait you meant those already out. My bad.

Edited by Ikedatakeshi on Jul 21st 2018 at 6:55:22 PM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#85441: Jul 21st 2018 at 3:58:22 AM

Yeah, I already complained about Ribrianne getting the shaft two or three chapters ago. This was just about the characters that Kale eliminated in this chapter.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85442: Jul 21st 2018 at 4:01:12 AM

At the very least we didn't have to read her blather on & on about love every one & a half seconds so that is a victory no matter how small.

Bless Kami for sparing us from that horrible, horrible pain.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 21st 2018 at 4:03:29 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#85443: Jul 21st 2018 at 4:05:56 AM

I've seen some people theorize that the manga is being rushed because Toyotarou wants to end this arc as quickly as possible so that he can write for the Broly movie when it comes out. Also, all these characters are just being fed to Kale to hype up Broly for the new movie by proxy. Honestly, sounds pretty plausible to me.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 21st 2018 at 4:10:19 AM

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#85444: Jul 21st 2018 at 4:35:20 AM

Or those characters were never actually important and getting rid of them sooner than later allows the story to focus on the stuff that does actually matter. The ToP suffered from some massive bloat, in my opinion.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Jul 21st 2018 at 7:37:43 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#85445: Jul 21st 2018 at 4:58:51 AM

There was a preview a while back talking about notable characters to watch out for in the Tournament of Power in the manga, and it included Ribrianne and Anilaza.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#85446: Jul 21st 2018 at 6:09:05 AM

That's some horrible advertising then.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#85447: Jul 21st 2018 at 6:32:06 AM

My favorite time of the month is when a manga chapter drops and Pushover talks about how "bad" the manga is and then Saiga comes in and is like "the manga is actually good" and then a debate happens between them about if the Anime/Manga is better :V

As for my thoughts of the chapter....eeehhhh. I'm 50/50; I can't really say I gave much of a damn about all of those other universes since they were only really there for a bunch of gimmick fights and not much else, BUT it did allow for some creativity outside of just focusing on the stuff with the U6 Saiyans, U7, and U11.

If nothing else, this chapter just kind of reinforced how pointless the battle royal portion of this whole thing was. What's the point of having all of these fighters if only a few of them are actually going to be relevant.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#85448: Jul 21st 2018 at 7:02:55 AM

Honestly, I think the issue is that none of these guys were ever going to be important.

The anime tried to make them more than they were, and the manga doesn't even pretend to care.

It's all the same really. Super, no matter what media is flawed.

I do admit there were some things about the anime I prefer, but the manga has it's high points as well.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#85449: Jul 21st 2018 at 7:03:29 AM

I did appreciate how the U11 guys sort of grouped around Kale and started trying to wear her down using teamwork.

But otherwise... Toyotaro's just not got the art chops. I was reading some of the 23rd TB today and the difference is just night and day in terms of fight choreography. Kale just sort of smacks everyone out of the ring; I think the only thing that was really visually impressive was her physically hoisting Magetta into the air. I do understand that it's a bit hard to have martial arts coming from someone who is frothing at the mouth berserk but I still think it's possible to make it look good.

Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Jul 21st 2018 at 2:04:58 PM

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#85450: Jul 21st 2018 at 7:24:49 AM

I heard another criticism: Kale is supposed to be completely berserk and out of control, right? Why didn't she kill anyone? She's stronger than Mastered Super Saiyan Blue Goku, she should be exploding the weaker fighters into meat chunks. Instead she does stuff like hold Shantsa and Ganos by their head and then casually drop them off the edge. She's supposed to be out of control, but she seems pretty in-control.


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