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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#85226: Jul 18th 2018 at 1:34:57 PM

To put it in terms I'll understand better, SSB Vegetto and Beerus were both noticeably stronger than Fused Zamasu and MSSB Vegeta, but not so much so that the weaker party couldn't even fight them. Manga Kale seems to be stronger than MSSB Goku, so she should already be fairly close in power to the Gods of Destrction. Adding Potara onto that seems like absurd overkill, and should logically make Kafla stronger than the Gods of Destruction.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#85227: Jul 18th 2018 at 1:52:48 PM

Man, 4chan is shitting itself with the recent revelation of the latest chapter. Over a year of stupid character-wars between Gohan and Caulifla/kale has boiled up to this moment.

Edited by Rinsankajugin on Jul 18th 2018 at 3:55:35 AM

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#85228: Jul 18th 2018 at 2:15:33 PM

...why were those three in particular controversial?

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#85229: Jul 18th 2018 at 2:28:53 PM

Oh man, I'm actually interested in the next chapter now.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#85230: Jul 18th 2018 at 2:37:25 PM

[up][up] People thought Caulifla got Super Saiyan 2 in a stupid way (tingles) and then shortly after Gohan fans and Caulifla fans kept fighting each other despite the fact the neither character had even interacted in the anime. Now with next month's chapter, the Gohan-Caulifla war has reached it's peak.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85231: Jul 18th 2018 at 2:39:13 PM

I have to say this does sound more climactic than Gohan vs Dyspo.

At least he’s actually there from the start instead of just suddenly jumping in outta nowhere & taking someone else’s fight.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 18th 2018 at 2:38:56 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#85232: Jul 18th 2018 at 3:10:49 PM

I liked how Gohan's main 4 opponents in the anime escalated in terms of power, and I don't think I much like the idea of Gohan's only major fight in the tournament also being someone who should logically be on par with Jiren.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#85233: Jul 18th 2018 at 3:17:05 PM

Yeah, this is almost certainly gonna be Gohan getting his face pushed in unless he has some strategy or trump card up his sleeves.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#85234: Jul 18th 2018 at 3:55:04 PM

Maybe kefla actually goes ss3 in the Manga and times out her fusion and that's how Gohan wins

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#85235: Jul 18th 2018 at 4:10:17 PM

Anime Ajay breaks down Broly and Paragus' design sheets.

I really like Paragus' new design, especially with how old he is. He rocks that dress surprisingly well, and I love the tip of his tail poking out of the bottom. I'm curious how much of Broly's old backstory is staying for New!Broly, especially since the control collar and Paragus are involved. I honestly wasn't expecting either of them to be part of New!Broly's story, so it makes me wonder how much was really changed.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#85236: Jul 18th 2018 at 7:34:57 PM

[up]

They should just keep Broly's old background & remove the petty crying part. Although this post gave me more perspective on that.But then again it never bother me to begin with

Paragus's new design is eon better than his old one.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#85237: Jul 18th 2018 at 8:06:54 PM

Well, I would also have Godly Ki base, which is weaker than Super Saiyan God and is what SS 1 is stacked onto to make SSB. If GSS looks distinct enough, say, if it looks like SSI, then there's no confusion between it and normal Super Saiyan. More forms is not necessarily a bad thing, and I don't understand why you seem to think that. More transformations is something that can be handled poorly, but it also can be handled well. The characters having more transformation essentially allows for there to be more depth to tiers of power. More transformations allows weaker characters to be relevant just by having them be comparable to weaker transformations, and having more variety and depth to character interactions and power escalation can be a good thing. Also, I would have SSB 3 be a thing, as the form Vegeta unlocks in place of SSBE.

I don't think more forms is bad. I think unnessecary and poorly executed forms are bad, and that's what Godly SS and Blue 2+ sound like to me.

Keeping the Godly base is just confusing, it'd only work if the older forms were phased out like Toriyama's interviews and RF implied would happen. And if this Godly SS is a visually distinct form, then it's not really what Goku did against Beerus. That's Goku getting a new form, then in the same fight getting another new form out of nowhere, both of which are upstaged by another new form in the very next arc. Going from God to Blue was already something many people question.

I do like doing something more with Trunks' form, if it is to be kept at all. I'm on the fence but I lean toward having it so it can be tied into Vegeta's power up against Beerus (since its hard to plot BOG without that) - 'rage' is powerful, but only a temporary power-up that completely exhausts the user. Rewatching the Black arc Trunks pretty much only transformed in short bursts anyway. I'd even tie that into Kale's transformations (gaining some sort of stable form) and Gohan's potential but it looks like the Broly movie might expand on the buff form and make it incompatible with that.

Anyway, new transformations don't always add depth. They can also take it away, by reducing the focus in individual forms and diluting their importance as new forms are introduced.

I know you wanted Blue 3 as well, but that doesn't work to me. The minute Blue 2 is a thing, it becomes too obvious that Blue 3 is a thing so drawing out that reveal makes it lackluster. Vegeta would just be working to obtain old transformations, and it makes the recolour issue worse as Blue loses any differences it had from the original SS 1.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#85238: Jul 18th 2018 at 8:31:35 PM

More manga leaks: Universe 2 also got erased, 6 Pride Troopers got eliminated. Toppo almost got rung-out, but Dyspo was able to pull him back in. Aniraza was defeated by a single kick from Kale.

Edited by Rinsankajugin on Jul 18th 2018 at 10:33:11 AM

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#85239: Jul 18th 2018 at 8:40:29 PM

[up]wait was that 4 universes in one chapter eliminated? plus everyone from u6 except kefla, and whoevers left from u7 and 11?

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#85240: Jul 18th 2018 at 8:50:04 PM

[up] Pretty much, yeah. Hell, Vegeta almost got eliminated too, but he pulled himself back in with a ki sword.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#85241: Jul 18th 2018 at 8:52:11 PM

[up]im glad kales rampage actually did something here rather than make convenient rubble to hide behind. but i hope she doesnt lose to gohan, or he uses a sliding kamehameha to beat her, that was the best

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#85242: Jul 18th 2018 at 8:54:32 PM

[up]x5 The way I would do it, Goku and Vegeta would essentially have two modes:

Base: Kaioken, Super Saiyan, SS 2, SS 3

Godly Base: Super Saiyan God, Super Saiyan Blue, SSB 2, SSB 3 (Goku doesn't use SSB 2 and SSB 3, instead opting for Kaioken in SSB 1)

Godly Super Saiyan would be an incomplete Super Saiyan Blue, more akin to False Super Saiyan: stronger than SSG but unstable and with downsides. It's not like this is introducing any less new forms than Z did, since the Grades aren't even being touched. Also, SSB 2 and 3 wouldn't have the same changes SS 2 and 3 do.

Unrelated question: has teen Goku ever been included in a video game with a different model than adult Goku? I know sometimes games just have an adult Goku model with teen Goku's moves, but that doesn't quite work. As the first Super ending shows, teen Goku is significantly shorter and lankier than adult Goku. This is supported by comparing him to Tenshinhan, who towers over him in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai but is only slightly taller in Z.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 18th 2018 at 8:57:00 AM

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#85243: Jul 18th 2018 at 9:08:28 PM

[up] Teen Goku has never been used in any modern DB game. He's probably in a couple of old famicom games, but none that I remember. Xenoverse does have a version of Adult Goku with some of Teen Goku's attacks, and I remember 1 version of Goku in Tenkaichi that had that one meteor-kamehameha-rush attack he used on Piccolo.

If they were to make a Teen Goku in Xenoverse 3, they could make him shoulder height to Adult Goku and give him the following attacks:

  • Kamehameha
  • Kamehameha Boost
  • Feet Kamehameha
  • Afterimage Strike
  • Super Kamehameha (Ultimate)
  • Meteor Combination (Ultimate)
  • Power Pole Pro (Transformation)
  • Turn Retreat (Evasive)

Edited by Rinsankajugin on Jul 18th 2018 at 11:10:22 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#85244: Jul 18th 2018 at 9:24:09 PM

One theory I've always found intriguing is that Saiyans have two different puberties, and the times for those puberties vary drastically. Goten and Trunks are short because they haven't had either, while Gohan was going through his first after the HTC training. Goku had his first training with Kami and his second before Z. Vegeta had his second puberty late, sometime around when the artstyle changed to draw him taller, so around Namek.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#85245: Jul 18th 2018 at 9:42:10 PM

Someone modded the Parapara Dance in Xenoverse to be the Carlton Dance:

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#85246: Jul 18th 2018 at 9:49:34 PM

so kale was apparently unconcious when she was fused into kefla, so that might be how gohan can win

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85247: Jul 18th 2018 at 9:51:35 PM

Huh well that sounds very inappropriate & invasive.

Pretty sure that’s equivalent to sexual assault in Steven Universe.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#85248: Jul 18th 2018 at 9:54:45 PM

[up][up][up]GOD, I want a Just Dance Dragon Ball spin-off game! It'd be so dang fun! Not like there'd be any lack of material, either, considering all the dancing that happens in this show. Roshi and Goku's impromptu duet before their battle, all the posing the Ginyu Force, Gohan, and the Pride Troopers do, the Elder Kaioshin dance, and even Vegeta's bingo dance. You could have various martial arts moves be turned into dance moves fairly easily.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 18th 2018 at 9:54:35 AM

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#85249: Jul 18th 2018 at 9:56:06 PM

[up][up]canna put the other earring on an unconcious kale when he threw her back in the ring and caulifla who was already wearing the other one, and they zoomed towards each other to fuse.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#85250: Jul 18th 2018 at 10:19:10 PM

I don't think one being unconscious is much of a problem. After all, the first time Vegito was formed Vegeta was dead.


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