Scar tissue is typically even stronger than regular tissue. Even if it was his weak point, that still raises the question of why a strong punch to that particular spot caused his skin to crack like porceline and his energy to pour out of the wound enough that it caused him to explode (though apparently not bad enough to leave any lasting damage by Broly 2). Like, if it is the same spot, it's kind of a neat parallel. In what way does it make Broly being defeated by a single punch any less questionable?
It works because the movie was out of run time.
There's no logic to be found here.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersLike, even if we're supposed to take away that Broly's blood is ki nitroglycerin that explodes in contact with the air, there's literally a scene earlier in the film where Broly gets punched in the face, bleeds normal blood out of the corner of his mouth, then licks it off. Why didn't his face explode then?
Leaks are coming in...
- Kaioken Goku and Scouter Vegeta for FighterZ
- Goku's kaioken gets more powerful with more downed teammates (x3 with 1 down, x20 with 2 down)
- He also has Super Spirit Bomb, most powerful attack any Goku has
- Scouter Vegeta has Super Galick Gun and Galaxy Breaker (the attack used on Nappa)
- Kefla's coming to Xenoverse 2
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- Android 21 is coming to Dokkan
- 17 and 18 are coming to Legends
- Paragus is coming, but's he's gonna be older looking (?) and there's a device attached to a belt
And now for the Manga spoilers...
- Kale is done for and the arc will end by December. That is all that's known for now...
Edited by Rinsankajugin on Jul 18th 2018 at 5:55:47 AM
As for Vegeta holding back against Magetta, that is one of those 'it doesn't make sense to hold back here' moments. He's simply struggling too much to make holding back worth it.
By any logical measure, the kids would have absolutely fared better than the humans. They don't even need to be trustworthy, they're just more likely to stay in the ring.
I think you can make a non-plot argument for excluding them too, though. They're pretty young, and we're talking about universes being erased here. In the manga, Vegeta doesn't want them even knowing about the tournament despite Goku wanting to tell them. That tells us that Goku wants them on the team, but the concern is them finding out about the stakes. The characters could definitely feel they're too young to be compliant in erasing other universes.
That's still pretty lame, though. It's just much more logical to use them. But given that they weren't going to be included, I am content with the manga giving a decent explanation for leaving them out and not pretending like the humans would be more important (hell, Toyo managed to have the humans' actually matter for something in the Frost chapter).
Another, vaguely related thing I would change is having Trunks unlock Godly Super Saiyan 2 to fight Black, which surprises Vegeta and inspires him to unlock Super Saiyan Blue 2, which is what he uses to kick Black's ass after training in the Time Chamber.
Oh, wow, no. That'd be so awful. We don't need another 'Saiyan beyond God/two base theory' on our hands. And that just makes the God form hierarchy even messier, it's crowded enough just with God and Blue.
Adding God Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 2 to that is just a clusterfuck. Really, just adding '2' forms is a bad idea at this point, much less interesting than the God-Blue switching or transformations that actually mean something different.
In this version, you've got Super Saiyan God which is form with Godly ki, then you've got Godly Super Saiyan which is Super Saiyan + Super Saiyan God but vaguely not complete, Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan which is Super Saiyan + Super Saiyan God but complete, then Godly Super Saiyan 2 which is Super Saiyan + Super Saiyan God but vaguely not complete but also more, and then Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 2 just for sheer overkill.
Like clearly the progression from an incomplete Godly form would be the complete one, not incomplete 2.
And the minute you make '2' a thing, it's obvious that 3 must be a thing, making that a foregone conclusion and we really just don't need a third form of either.
Edited by Saiga on Jul 18th 2018 at 9:37:34 PM
They do have the capability to get serious.
As long as it did take the moment Gotenks took the show biz gloves off he went to town on Super Buu so hard there was nothing he could have done to stop him as he only survived by the fusion timing out.
Plus this is a couple years after that fight so they could have improved on that front for all we know. If all the humans can claim they’ve improved over the years then the kids can claim they have also improved.
Edited by slimcoder on Jul 18th 2018 at 4:55:57 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."We don't actually know how strong the humans are in respect to Goten and Trunks any more. Not that it would be super logical for humans to be as strong as them, but then them being as strong as Gohan in terms of base and SSJ 1 at the start of the Buu arc didn't make sense either.
Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Jul 18th 2018 at 12:10:46 PM
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"So you're fine with the original series being illogical, but not Super ignoring that bad logic.
Not that I think that Super handled it well at all. But I'm not going to selectively call it out on bad decisions.
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"No, I'm not fine with that and never have been. But the original series never tried to make the humans relevant to Super Saiyans.
I've already argued on why Goten and Trunks' strength isn't illogical. Trunks is only one year younger than Super Saiyan 2 CG Gohan, and waaaaay weaker than that.
Absolutely nothing selective about it. That's false equivalence.
Edited by Saiga on Jul 18th 2018 at 10:25:52 PM
They wouldn't take it seriously, they would have showboat and they would have gotten eliminated. They might have even been the first eliminated.
Yeah. It was never about power to me. Goten and Trunks as Gotenks have more than enough power to go through most opponents. And they certain know how to create some good techniques (Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack bitches). The problem is it takes them too long to really get serious. If they'd just gone SSJ 3 on Super Buu from the get go, they'd have maybe defeated him well before things got bad.
Now, whether their tendency to dick around would have got them thrown out early or not is entirely up to the story they want to tell, but the choice between two kids who have power, but lack maturity, or some fighters with years of experience, but are far weaker than anyone else...
Trunks and Goten likely still edge them out, but as Saiga says, there are reasons to not use them.
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As I understand, in the first movie, Goku didn't just hit him anywhere; he hit him in the same spot Broly was stabbed as a child all those years ago. There was already a wound there, even if it was a really old one.
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