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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#84851: Jul 9th 2018 at 6:21:01 PM

broly looks cool, and him absolutely beating the crap out of everyone so hard was awesome. its just his backstory was shit. and it could have been better. like for the new broly have freeza revive him/free him from ice, and tell him beerus destroyed planet vegeta and send him after him. yeah its not great but its better than this weeks old baby cried when i was a baby and kept me up

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84852: Jul 9th 2018 at 6:26:54 PM

[up][up][up][up] That is indeed sad to hear.

[up] Also that. Detractors will not shut up about the crying detail. They practically zero in on it all the time.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#84853: Jul 9th 2018 at 6:35:18 PM

There's a lot to salvage from Broly's original background. Between the whole being stab by your king & witnessing your home planet getting destroyed might do something to your psyche.

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#84854: Jul 9th 2018 at 6:37:18 PM

I think one of the coolest aspects of Broly was that his sheer power was actually causing him to go insane- it's brief but there's a moment in where Broly wakes up with his power dormant (having just been asleep) before it slowly awakens and takes over right before Paragus puts on the mind control/power limiter.

I hope that is expanded upon.

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agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#84855: Jul 9th 2018 at 6:47:18 PM

I'll be shock if it does

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#84856: Jul 9th 2018 at 6:51:17 PM

Less hatred about Broly, more this is going to be Ro F all over again.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#84857: Jul 9th 2018 at 6:51:43 PM

Seeing Toriyama's take on Bardock, I wouldn't go assuming he'd actually make Broly better just because its him writing.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#84858: Jul 9th 2018 at 6:59:43 PM

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Good, let them get bent out of shape

Edited by agent-trunks on Jul 9th 2018 at 7:17:07 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84859: Jul 9th 2018 at 7:00:20 PM

[up][up][up] Oddly enough F's problem was the script having little if any story.

Broly is apparently the opposite.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 9th 2018 at 7:00:23 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84860: Jul 9th 2018 at 7:00:20 PM

Well, out side of his craziness, Broly wasn't that great.

I loved how he absolutely pasted the heroes when he fought them (it's a very different kind of brutality from Freeza, who's deliberately trying to drag it out), but the guy is just obsessed with....

But we'll see. I'm willing to watch how this plays out. I honestly don't think Broly could get any worse.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#84861: Jul 9th 2018 at 7:25:55 PM

Has Toriyama actually ever written Bardock? Every bit of him I see past the initial special feels like Toei stuff.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84863: Jul 9th 2018 at 7:28:06 PM

Gine is a forever blackmark on the entire franchise. sad

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84864: Jul 9th 2018 at 7:29:03 PM

Yeah. Minus is the only case of Toriyama writing a character he didn't make, and it's not well liked.

But as I said, history doesn't have to repeat. Toriyama might create a Broly people actually like.

Gotta see how this plays out baby.

And if I'm wrong, then it's not like I'm not usually full of shit anyway, so no love for TVT is there?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#84865: Jul 9th 2018 at 7:29:13 PM

On Broly's character and hatedom - movie 8 was one of the more cinematic movies, and he had a pretty cool design and fun, boisterous personality as he smacked people around.

His backstory was shit and some more interesting things about him weren't used much - such as his similarities to Sun Wukong, or Koyama's intended theme of being a solitary, isolated fighter (he was literally Jiren before Jiren, I'll dig the interview up for that later).

On top of that, he didn't have much character and what he did have was reduced to being a caricature of himself for subsequent appearances. I don't think even hulk-Broly is awful but he can't carry three films that way.

Combine that with the vocal minority of utterly obnoxious Broly fans and the Wolverine Publicity he received - I think people have every right to be sick of seeing Broly in things. That's not excusing taking it to Hate Dumb levels though.

Given how Frost was handled after Freeza came back for the TOP, I also think that this means Kale shouldn't expect to be relevant when we have the original Broly around. I doubt Toriyama wants him to survive more than one film, so there's that.

I'm at least interested to see how they tie this into the lore, and if Kale's form will be further explained as a result.


Minus was bad, and its existence is still confusing. I don't really know why it exists beyond tying in to Jaco.

Minus was such a nothing chapter that I wouldn't use it to set expectations for Broly. This is more similar to Goku Black, where the idea was suggested to Toriyama and he ran with it.

Edited by Saiga on Jul 10th 2018 at 12:33:22 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84866: Jul 9th 2018 at 9:09:02 PM

Huh now that he’s confirmed to be Broly now I get why he has an apparent fur pelt around his waste.

Hey Saiga at least they appear to be keeping some of the Sun Wukong visual elements.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#84867: Jul 9th 2018 at 9:15:06 PM

I recall Broly having some of the more interesting fight choreography in the movies

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#84868: Jul 9th 2018 at 9:32:01 PM

Huh now that he’s confirmed to be Broly now I get why he has an apparent fur pelt around his waste.

The arctic is very cold.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84870: Jul 9th 2018 at 10:26:06 PM

[up][up] Never bothered Goku & Vegeta though. tongue

[up] Huh so we’re finally getting Heroes in some capacity.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#84871: Jul 9th 2018 at 10:28:16 PM

It was a plot point in the goofier Dragon Ball days that Goku becomes practically useless in colder climates. Or at least in the Red Ribbon arc.

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#84872: Jul 9th 2018 at 10:54:27 PM

So, I wake up and now Broly is the villain of movie 20.

...Sure why not. Toriyama's rewriting his backstory and character, maybe he can be salvaged. You know, if Broly really was frozen in ice, it's possible that the whole "he's the Legendary Super Saiyan" thing might still happen. Like, those dumb misconceptions that Broly was the original Legendary Super Saiyan in the original movie might turn out to be real now.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#84873: Jul 9th 2018 at 11:12:31 PM

Honestly, Broly is only my least favorite movie villain for real world reasons rather than anything to do with his movies. He's kinda exactly the same as every other movie villain, minus Beerus, so him being in a new (canon (for what that's worth)) movie doesn't bother me.

Beerus getting chummed does bother me.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#84874: Jul 10th 2018 at 12:48:38 AM

Assuming that's actually a thing.

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#84875: Jul 10th 2018 at 1:11:04 AM

I'm not going to say that Broly in the new movie is awful until I see it, especially since Goku Black and Kale were both concepts that sound bad on paper but I loved in practice.


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