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Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#84776: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:29:16 PM

toriyama is truly woke. tongue

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Jul 9th 2018 at 6:29:18 AM

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#84777: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:29:21 PM

Welp.

I don't get why everone is freaking out over 'canon' Broly, the term is meaningless.

And Dragon Ball bringing back Freeza was still a worse idea than this.

I've always thought the character concept of Broly could have been interesting if handled much differently. Since that is the perspective Toriyama is going for, this has potential.

Imagibe getting a version of Broly that doesn't suck as bad as his previous incarnations!

Now, due to the baggage attached to the character and the Wolverine Publicity Broly had, I would have preferres to stay away from his character. But Super has already comfortably nestled itself in the trash pile, so this doesn't phase me.

Edgar81539 Since: Mar, 2014
#84778: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:32:10 PM

Canon is far from meaningless lol. Say that again and you're just inviting for a shitstorm. While it may not mean much for you, it means a lot for the people involved in the DBZ fandom.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#84779: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:33:35 PM

I don't care if anyone gets upset by that. It's meaningless because we don't even have an official one, and it can't be accurately measured by fans when we don't know the full story of the production.

AlphaVII Mecha and Waifu, become one! from A part of the endless starry sky Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#84780: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:34:59 PM

It's been said they're rewriting him, so don't panic immediately and burn everything do- never mind I guess

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84781: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:35:12 PM

I wonder if Kale’s gonna be in this.

She prolly won’t be but still it be interesting if she is.

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Edgar81539 Since: Mar, 2014
#84782: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:36:30 PM

We don't have an official canon? Literally everything that Toriyama has been heavily involved. So the original manga/anime, the retellings of Bo G and Ro F, the rest of the Super anime, Dragon Ball Minus, Jaco the Galactic Patrolman and this movie. See how it means something? Cool, it doesn't mean something for you, meanwhile a bunch of people in the world are raging/celebrating since Broly is canon now.

Edited by Edgar81539 on Jul 9th 2018 at 5:38:23 AM

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#84783: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:40:35 PM

Broly is so powerful he became canon.

Hmmm, so that's why Bardock and Broly were the first DLC in Fighterz. Those are two non-toriyama creations that became canon.

The hints were there all along

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#84784: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:41:17 PM

You'll find that Saiga hates Super, so canon means nothing to him anymore :V

I like it because I love seeing people get salty over Broly getting more attention; they can't even use the "NON-CANON' argument anymore and it's entertaining as hell to see people flip out over it.

This can't be any worse than bringing back Freeza, and despite how anyone feels about that move, it actually ended up being fairly entertaining in the end. So I won't completely write off Toriyama's version of Broly as it might actually redeem the character.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#84785: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:41:51 PM

Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that announcement, but it sounds like it's real.

And watching the fandom boil over in response is freaking hilarious.

Edited by DarkHunter on Jul 9th 2018 at 4:43:55 AM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#84786: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:44:32 PM

Um, no, naming a bunch of things doesn't show me anything

We don't even know the extent of Toriyama's involvement these days, but we do know it's no longer him alone. We know that Shuiesha now has an office in charge of inserting marketable ideas into the products.

If you view the current material as canpn, the term becomes meanibgless, because it's being run by the same people who were making the non-canon stuff. So of course it is going to end up the same way.

[up][up] This isn't about Super. This is about unofficial canon not making sense.

Please don't write off my opinions as 'you just hate x', that's rude and ignores the points that I am explaining right now.

Canon has been reduced to a buzzword.

Edited by Saiga on Jul 9th 2018 at 8:45:42 PM

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#84787: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:45:23 PM

Now they just need to make Cooler canon so we can make fun of his lameness

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#84788: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:47:58 PM

I like Cooler more than Freeza. He is cooler than Freeza. wink

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#84789: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:49:15 PM

Personally, I subscribe to the philosophy of "if it's an official product, it's canon". No exceptions.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#84790: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:49:53 PM

Then why not just say official?

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#84791: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:52:08 PM

The same reason why I sometimes say "fast" and other times I say "quick": because I feel like it.

Though mostly, I don't think I use the word "canon" terribly often.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#84792: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:53:36 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] That was not my intention, but...you know, you have made it known that you really don't care for the latest direction the franchise has been taking. Not taking your point away, but that's something I've noticed.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Jul 9th 2018 at 6:55:16 AM

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#84793: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:53:39 PM

Aww why broly and not cooler or janemba or lord slug.where's my u6 lord slug toriyama

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#84794: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:54:53 PM

[up][up][up]That's fair. And we do have franchises who use the term that way.

I just find it unnessecary when the clearest definition we could have would make it redundant.

Edited by Saiga on Jul 9th 2018 at 8:55:02 PM

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#84795: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:55:06 PM

Does Dragon Ball even have a definitive canon? I know the manga is the closest to it but does Toriyama even have a canon for Dragon Ball?

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#84796: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:56:28 PM

Hey uh guys, remember how Toei was showing of remasters of the Broly, Bardock and Gogeta movie in theaters soon?

Now that the DBS movie is confirmed Broly, and it's been said to have flashbacks... how do you think this movie will end?

Edited by Rinsankajugin on Jul 9th 2018 at 6:05:13 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#84797: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:57:07 PM

Back in the manga days canon was "wherever toriyama's head is today" because he had no problem shamelessly retconning things

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#84798: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:57:19 PM

No-one in any official capacity has outlined a clear canon. There's cultural differences - they don't even use 'official' in the same way we do - and I don't think Toriyama is particularly concerned.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84799: Jul 9th 2018 at 3:58:49 PM

[up][up][up] Huh well that explains that.

Makes sense really.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#84800: Jul 9th 2018 at 4:02:17 PM

Yeah. Toriyama has no problem, changing things to suit how he wants the story to go, or removing stuff he's uninterested in.

Canon is a pretty loose term in DB. Look at the existence of Jaco (so Bulma knew about the existence of aliens years before Goku's origin ever became a thing ) or Supreme Kai's backstory (now there's only one Supreme Kai and his attendant, so what about the other guys Buu killed, and the two he absorbed).

Still this is a very interesting turn of events. As the guy who often said he wished Toriyama would try his hand at some of Toei's ideas instead of ignoring them, I'm either going to be standing in triumph, or permanently living with my own foot in my mouth.

If you want to see Handsome Rob look stupid, then stay tuned.tongue

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