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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84626: Jun 30th 2018 at 9:58:42 PM

Heheheh.

That’s an amusing thought. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84627: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:01:00 PM

I'll go further: given Krillin and Roshi's performance against base Goku pre-tournament, and how even base Goku must've been weaker because of how injured and tired he was, I'd put money that a fresh team of Krillin, Tenshinhan, and Roshi would've done just as well, if not better, than Goku, Freeza, and 17 did against Jiren.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jun 30th 2018 at 10:01:08 AM

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#84628: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:02:53 PM

That same Jiren just defeated Golden Freiza right before.

Edited by Ikedatakeshi on Jul 1st 2018 at 1:02:36 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84629: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:05:07 PM

[up][up] [lol][lol]

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84630: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:05:55 PM

[up][up]A tired Golden Freeza, and that was immediately followed by getting blown up by 17 hard enough that he almost gave up.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jun 30th 2018 at 10:05:44 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#84631: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:06:56 PM

That seems like a bit of a stretch. Android 17 was still "fresh" and couldn't handle Jiren without Frieza and Goku's help. I don't think Tien, Roshi, and Krillin combined are stronger than 17.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Jun 30th 2018 at 1:08:43 PM

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#84632: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:06:59 PM

Again, this is Super. Something like that could actually happen and I wouldn't be surprised. It'd be terrible and not make any sense, but that never stopped Super before.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84633: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:08:02 PM

[up][up]No, 17 had just pushed himself to the brink of death with a self-destruction move. Everyone involved at that point was exhausted and badly injured.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jun 30th 2018 at 10:09:08 AM

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#84634: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:09:26 PM

But 17 cannot be tired, that's literally his thing.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84635: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:09:40 PM

He really didn’t look tired aside from some minor bruises.

Benefits of limitless energy after all.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84636: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:10:43 PM

Not tired, injured. Both can affect Power Level.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#84637: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:11:37 PM

I mean, is there any reason to think it works that way for 17 and 18?

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#84638: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:13:13 PM

All they had to do was not have Freiza in his golden form to make it logically sound, but that's apparently not cool enough. A tired Golden Freiza should be more powerful than even more tired Freiza that can't maintain that form and tired Goku who can't go Super Saiyan

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84639: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:16:02 PM

Wait that form practically hemorrhage’s stamina.

How the Hell can you be tired in that state?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#84640: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:20:31 PM

Apparently his mastered his Ki control in hell after focusing on his desire to kill Goku, so it doesn't drain stamina now.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#84641: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:20:32 PM

Super Dragon Ball Heroes episode 1, Goku vs Goku:

Also, Universe Mission 3's opening:

Confirmed so far:

  • Demigra Revival Arc, with his secretary Rovel
  • Planet Prison Arc continues
  • Unrestrained Cumber fights Blue Kaioken Vegetto
  • Majin Ozotto and King Cold are also coming

Also not pictured above, Super Saiyan Cumber!

Edited by Rinsankajugin on Jun 30th 2018 at 12:20:30 PM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84642: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:21:09 PM

[up][up][up][up]Again, the two battles in the episode: Golden Freeza and 17 vs Jiren and 4th Form Freeza, 17, and Base Goku vs Jiren are separated by one event: 17 blowing up Jiren so hard that it causes recoil damage. All three people who were in the first fight are weaker in the second fight.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jun 30th 2018 at 10:22:21 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84643: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:27:12 PM

Not weak enough that Krillen can take em.

Now that’s just ridiculous.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#84644: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:28:27 PM

Are we talking about the same battle here? Golden Freiza appeared again on the final episode, 17 didn't blow himself up in it.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84645: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:34:21 PM

You remember wrong, my friend. First Golden Freeza and Jiren fight. Then, 17 tackles Jiren holding a ki blast to his back. Jiren says that won't work this time and prepares to elbow him. 17 says same and puts up his barrier before detonating the blast inside it. 17 is launched back, clearly injured. The smoke clears, and Jiren coughs up spit and falls to his knees.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jun 30th 2018 at 10:38:09 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84646: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:35:02 PM

Well alright 17 is stronger than Vegeta.

He’s definitly middle-tier.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#84647: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:36:44 PM

Jiren then proceed to blast Golden Freiza and 17 after listening to Toppo's speech, over powering them, Goku appears and the three of them block the attack together. There is no 17 here.

You are talking about Jiren pre Toppo speech while I'm talking after it, both of which overpowered Golden Freiza.

Edited by Ikedatakeshi on Jul 1st 2018 at 1:39:06 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84648: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:38:35 PM

Yeah, Jiren got back up to blast them away, but he burned through his energy to do so. Jiren in the second fight was weaker than he was before, though still slightly stronger than Freeza, Goku, and 17.

vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
vicarious
#84649: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:39:22 PM

I guess I didn’t get the memo Super is shit

But for real, what are the wonky powerlevels so far, genuinely asking. I’m just finished with the episode of Hit vs Jiren

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#84650: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:44:45 PM

The biggest example of wonky power levels is something you haven't seen yet. (114) Kale going from Blue level to Red level because the plot needs her and Caulifla to be overwhelmed so they'll have a reason to fuse.


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