I'll go further: given Krillin and Roshi's performance against base Goku pre-tournament, and how even base Goku must've been weaker because of how injured and tired he was, I'd put money that a fresh team of Krillin, Tenshinhan, and Roshi would've done just as well, if not better, than Goku, Freeza, and 17 did against Jiren.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jun 30th 2018 at 10:01:08 AM
That seems like a bit of a stretch. Android 17 was still "fresh" and couldn't handle Jiren without Frieza and Goku's help. I don't think Tien, Roshi, and Krillin combined are stronger than 17.
Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Jun 30th 2018 at 1:08:43 PM
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Super Dragon Ball Heroes episode 1, Goku vs Goku:
Also, Universe Mission 3's opening:
Confirmed so far:
- Demigra Revival Arc, with his secretary Rovel
- Planet Prison Arc continues
- Unrestrained Cumber fights Blue Kaioken Vegetto
- Majin Ozotto and King Cold are also coming
Also not pictured above, Super Saiyan Cumber!
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Edited by Rinsankajugin on Jun 30th 2018 at 12:20:30 PM
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Again, the two battles in the episode: Golden Freeza and 17 vs Jiren and 4th Form Freeza, 17, and Base Goku vs Jiren are separated by one event: 17 blowing up Jiren so hard that it causes recoil damage. All three people who were in the first fight are weaker in the second fight.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jun 30th 2018 at 10:22:21 AM
You remember wrong, my friend. First Golden Freeza and Jiren fight. Then, 17 tackles Jiren holding a ki blast to his back. Jiren says that won't work this time and prepares to elbow him. 17 says same and puts up his barrier before detonating the blast inside it. 17 is launched back, clearly injured. The smoke clears, and Jiren coughs up spit and falls to his knees.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jun 30th 2018 at 10:38:09 AM
Jiren then proceed to blast Golden Freiza and 17 after listening to Toppo's speech, over powering them, Goku appears and the three of them block the attack together. There is no 17 here.
You are talking about Jiren pre Toppo speech while I'm talking after it, both of which overpowered Golden Freiza.
Edited by Ikedatakeshi on Jul 1st 2018 at 1:39:06 AM

Heheheh.
That’s an amusing thought.
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