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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#84601: Jun 30th 2018 at 3:32:09 PM

I did like that detail, but it raises some incredible Fridge Logic about the dragon balls - it means the cast are being punished for using them selflessly, whereas selfish wishes would result in nicer dragons. That completely shoots the arc's intended message in the foot.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84602: Jun 30th 2018 at 3:38:16 PM

It is a cruel irony.

Though I'd argue the punishment is not using the balls for selfish or selfless wishes, but using them so much in the first place.

They do kinda use the balls as a massive crutch. Hell, on two occasions, they've been ok causing shit because they can just undo the damage with the Dragonballs.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#84603: Jun 30th 2018 at 3:43:59 PM

If by 'ok' you mean 'visibly upset by it' then sure.

And I mean, if selfish wishes = nicer dragons, that directly means that selfless wishes get punished more.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84604: Jun 30th 2018 at 3:47:20 PM

Wait if the expected situation of overuse involves people abusing the balls to make selfish wishes then logically the expected result should be all the Shadow Dragons being nice people.

Huh okay that is a conundrum.

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Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#84605: Jun 30th 2018 at 5:56:18 PM

You know something I've always wondered about is that since using the Dragonballs for Selfless wishes uses up the positive energy of the Dragonballs would using them for selfish wishes use up the negative energy there by balanceing out the negative energy accumulating in the dragon balls.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#84606: Jun 30th 2018 at 6:48:10 PM

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#84607: Jun 30th 2018 at 6:53:22 PM

Even if Nova Shenron was the nicest of the Shadow Dragons, wasn't he still trashing a city?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#84608: Jun 30th 2018 at 6:57:29 PM

Look, cities are made to be trashed.

Thats why they have trashcans

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84609: Jun 30th 2018 at 7:42:37 PM

Okay is Goku not a master martial artist?

Is patience not one of the tenants of mastery?

Cause it’s pretty damn fucking embarrassing he can’t even be bothered to put up the effort to stay in one place for a while.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84610: Jun 30th 2018 at 7:53:23 PM

If it has nothing to do with fighting, Goku just doesn't care.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84611: Jun 30th 2018 at 7:55:10 PM

He really is a child.

Took way too many blows to the head.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 30th 2018 at 7:56:53 AM

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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
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#84612: Jun 30th 2018 at 8:26:22 PM

Maybe it’s hypocritical but I don’t want the Vegeta treatment for Freiza

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84613: Jun 30th 2018 at 8:42:07 PM

Nor do I. I don't think Toriyama is gonna do that though. The fact that Frieza is still an evil prick is still very apparent, and he's made it clear he's never gonna change.

At the most, he's learned pragmatism, and seems to have finally given up his grudge against Goku (if for no other reason than the fact that Goku is still more or less stronger than him).

He just gets to rule the universe unopposed since he's still the second (or third) strongest mortal in his universe.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84614: Jun 30th 2018 at 8:45:27 PM

I’ll go with second strongest mortal in the universe cause Frieza & Goku gave Jiren the fight of his life while Vegeta barely made him break a sweat.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#84615: Jun 30th 2018 at 8:49:42 PM

Vegeta fought a completely fresh Jiren, while Goku and Frieza dealt with a Jiren who was pretty worn out himself.

Kinda different situations there.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#84616: Jun 30th 2018 at 8:50:19 PM

It's Super, it doesn't matter.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84617: Jun 30th 2018 at 8:50:29 PM

Eh potato potato.

Plus I’ll take any chance to throw shade at Vegeta. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 30th 2018 at 8:50:26 AM

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#84618: Jun 30th 2018 at 8:54:29 PM

Potato...

Edited by randomness4 on Jun 30th 2018 at 8:55:55 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#84619: Jun 30th 2018 at 8:55:23 PM

Then you might as well just carry an umbrella over his head at all times.

Or just let him stand next to Goku, since he already lives in the latter's shadow.evil grin

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#84620: Jun 30th 2018 at 9:11:03 PM

They did use the fact that Buu didn't kill everyone on Earth yet to try and buy more time for training.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#84621: Jun 30th 2018 at 9:19:19 PM

Goku could totally have beaten Buu but he didn't want to. Swearsies.

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#84622: Jun 30th 2018 at 9:36:33 PM

Freeza got completely wrecked by God Toppo whom SSBE Vegeta beat. Vegeta is definitely stronger than Freeza.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84623: Jun 30th 2018 at 9:37:43 PM

Yet one lasted longer than the other.

And gave blows that actually hurt more or less to the guy stronger than Toppo.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 30th 2018 at 9:37:42 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84624: Jun 30th 2018 at 9:50:42 PM

The Super anime has wonky Power Levels.

News at 11.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jun 30th 2018 at 10:50:39 AM

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#84625: Jun 30th 2018 at 9:57:11 PM

[up][up]Fighting alongside base Goku. Jiren at that point was so weak that Piccolo could've beaten him.


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