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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84526: Jun 21st 2018 at 1:05:43 AM

Chapter's out.

My thoughts while reading it: Man, the arena is a LOT smaller in the manga. I really like Caulifla having her own knock-off Kamehameha. Freeza and Caulifla's conversation about fighting a Super Saiyan feels odd, maybe it's just the translation. I really love the shading on Golden Freeza. Spoke too soon, it went away almost entirely next page. Caulifla commenting on how destructive Golden Freeza is is really awkward, since he only punched a tiny hole in the arena, much less than she did with her Notmehameha and Freeza himself did earlier with telekinesis. We're introducing the 'floating rocks you can stand on' part early too.

Bye Darkori, we hardly knew ye. Bye Preecho, we never knew ye. Kale is a completely different character in the manga. Instead of having unconscious Hulk-like power born out of jealousy and self-hatred, she is fully aware of how strong she is and holds back to not overshadow Caulifla. Personally, I still prefer the anime's take, but this is interesting. Kale kicking Golden Freeza's ass is awesome, and I have to say that he definitely deserves the Puny God treatment more than Goku did. Looks like standard SSB has been replaced permanently by PSSB.

Oh, I REALLY like that Kale is consistently being drawn more and more muscular over time, that's a great little attention to detail. And just like that, it ends abruptly. Huh.

This was a really good chapter. Felt rather short, but the action was solid. I think I still prefer anime Kale, but this is definitely a good, interesting take on the character, and I'm looking forward to see what the next chapter brings. I'm very happy to say that I was wrong, and I'm glad the manga turned it around.

edited 21st Jun '18 1:22:44 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#84527: Jun 21st 2018 at 1:08:34 AM

It's the 21st, so Viz has officially translated Chapter 37 of Toyotaro's Super Manga for free on their site.


Also, there's a decent chance Aniraza/Anilaza will be in the Manga:

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#84528: Jun 21st 2018 at 3:14:47 AM

Super Dragon Ball Heroes anime trailer:

EDIT: Also a commercial for Universe Mission 3:

Also, the website accidentally revealed a character who's coming back after over 20 years of obscurity.

edited 21st Jun '18 6:30:07 AM by Rinsankajugin

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#84529: Jun 21st 2018 at 10:10:47 AM

Oohhh, that was a fun chapter

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84530: Jun 21st 2018 at 10:22:24 AM

I admit, it was a fun chapter.

I do like Kale's portrayal in this more than the anime (where it's not that she lacks confidence, but that she purposely holds back out of respect for the person she admires).

One Strip! One Strip!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#84531: Jun 21st 2018 at 10:42:04 AM

I prefer anime Kale just because we've seen this before, with Trunks holding back to not bruise Vegeta's ego. A shy character with self-hatred that manifests itself as a Hulk-like transformation is something new to Dragon Ball.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84532: Jun 21st 2018 at 11:25:25 AM

What would you guys call Toriyama's strongest point as a writer?

While I've had a lot to complain about in terms of how he does things, I can't really think of a specific thing I like.

I guess I've enjoyed some of the fights, and he can be pretty funny on occasion. Since I came into the series very late, and a lot of the stuff he subverted back then are now old hat, it's hard to say, but I want to see what others have to say.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#84533: Jun 21st 2018 at 11:50:12 AM

Manga Kale is better to me. Manga Caulifa is more or less the same from the anime, just more like Goku here.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#84534: Jun 21st 2018 at 12:01:10 PM

As an artist he's phenomenal at depicting silhouette and sequence (to the point it's actually bothering me when I read some other manga) .

As a writer he's fairly creative and excellent at bathos.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#84535: Jun 21st 2018 at 12:06:00 PM

Yeah, one of Toriyama's major strengths is his talent at making action flow seamlessly from panel to panel. Compared to some other manga and comics, Dragon Ball is an exceptionally easy read.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84536: Jun 21st 2018 at 12:07:15 PM

I once talked to a guy who said that Toriyama has created the near perfect manga.

What he meant by this is that everything he did in DB ranging from the inking, art, paneling, fight scenes, character designs is perfect aside from the story.

If you only remove the speech bubbles then you would effectively have the perfect manga.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#84537: Jun 21st 2018 at 12:12:42 PM

Heck, even the story isn't terrible.

It's just significantly weaker than the art.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#84538: Jun 21st 2018 at 12:23:17 PM

Also, regarding Kafla in the Manga: Fuwa is the only Kai to ''not'' be seen with his earrings on. Even Shin in a similarly crowded shot still has his own drawn.

Make that what you will.


I would say that, despite it also hurting him at times, Toriyama's Writing by the Seat of Your Pants style is very alluring to me for how well he can sell sudden changes/additions/retcons in a story with some decent back-up. The Android to Cell Sagas are a memorable example of this (the sudden reveal of Cell once the Future Android 17 and 18 were defeated.)

His worldbuilding is also pretty good, even if he doesn't seem too interested in expanding upon certain ideas (like the Demon Realm, Freeza's Race) besides being a good background for a representative of that place.

edited 21st Jun '18 12:33:41 PM by XMenMutant22

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#84539: Jun 21st 2018 at 12:36:50 PM

Ooh, Fuwa not having his earrings is interesting. Maybe Kafla is in the manga, and Goku first unlocks Ultra Instinct "Omen" fighting her.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#84540: Jun 21st 2018 at 12:43:18 PM

Also, there's a decent chance Aniraza/Anilaza will be in the Manga:

I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be named Anilaza because of the pun. A-ni-la-za -> La-za-ni-a.

Anyway I liked the new chapter. Good action (seeing Frieza pull out the telekinesis is always fun) and I like to see new matchups that didn't happen in the anime so Frieza taking on Caulifla and Kale is neat.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#84541: Jun 21st 2018 at 1:38:26 PM

As far as his strengths goes, I'd say he's better than most at managing to keep things died together and staying consistent with his own rules despite much planning. Note, that's far from saying he's perfect at it, just better than a lot of authors are.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#84542: Jun 21st 2018 at 1:44:29 PM

I am amazed at how the manga holds up despite some retcons.

"Mai waifu."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#84543: Jun 21st 2018 at 1:55:55 PM

"That guy can't be human!"

"Whatever planet this kid's from, it's Not Earth."

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#84544: Jun 21st 2018 at 2:02:30 PM

It's hard to say what his greatest strength is. But I think he's definitely quite good at keeping such a long series consistent even while making things up on the flaw, and has been able to execute some questionable ideas and retcons quite well.

Anyhow, I also prefer manga Kale's personality. Anime Kale ranged from awful (mixing Shrinking Violet and Yandere tendencies to make one really unappealing character) to slightly changing her motivation and portrayal but still having her be a fairly uninteresting trope. I liked Kale's take down of Dercori here.

I hope Toyo comes up with some further explanation of what Kale's form IS, but we didn't get that anywhere else so we probably won't here.

Seeing Freeza say that Super Saiyan wouldn't surprise him before Kale totally overpowers him is funny. I really like her Super Saiyan hairstyle here, as well.

Didn't see much difference in Caulifla's portrayal but I did like that she was quick to compliment Freeza when Freeza did the same to her.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#84545: Jun 21st 2018 at 2:17:56 PM

They toned down how obnoxious Caulifa is, so she's much more tolerable to watch and going against someone like Freeza is a good way for us to root for her.

Kale is also much better here for reasons Saiga stated, her shrinking violet personality wasn't very interesting as well as the minor Yandere vibes she gave off. In the manga, she intentionally holds back how powerful she is out of respect for Caulifa. Similar reasons, but the execution makes it much less obnoxious to read.

And yes, I got some sadistic glee out of watch Freeza torture the Saiyans left and right; its what I wanted and I am glad I got it.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84546: Jun 21st 2018 at 2:41:51 PM

Kami bless the wonderful days when Saiyan's get the shit beaten outta them by Lord Frieza-sama. tongue

edited 21st Jun '18 2:42:03 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
VulgarBee I AM KING OF THE BEACH!! from End of the Other Side Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
I AM KING OF THE BEACH!!
#84547: Jun 21st 2018 at 7:00:07 PM

Hey would Dragon Ball Super (2018) be a Sequel in Another Medium? Because it's a movie taking place after the anime?

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#84548: Jun 21st 2018 at 11:41:22 PM

~@VulgarBee: Yes it would, for the exact reason you described (a weekly animated series's story continued through an animated theatrical movie).

edited 22nd Jun '18 11:39:20 AM by XMenMutant22

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84549: Jun 22nd 2018 at 12:20:43 AM

I'd say Battle of Gods would qualify, but Super itself retold the movies in an show format, so it wouldn't.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#84550: Jun 22nd 2018 at 4:19:22 PM

It's nice to see best buddy Freeza will be in the movie. His minions have been looking progressively less intimidating with every iteration.

The bottom of the barrel has been scraped so hard his named minions have to use laser guns now. By the way, apparently Sorbet 2.0 is a character who briefly appeared in Dragon Ball Minus, so that's cool.

The latest manga chapter had me giggling when Champa trash talked Frost right in front of him.


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