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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#84276: Jun 3rd 2018 at 4:54:44 PM

Wait what?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#84277: Jun 3rd 2018 at 4:59:40 PM

There are moves that Jessica in iwannasay dq 7 can learn including the puff puff thing that Oolong did to Roshi

Although the twist here is that instead of boobs, Jessica does it with slimes

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ZeroDozer Incinerate! ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!! from Santo André, SP, Brazil Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
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#84278: Jun 3rd 2018 at 5:23:55 PM

I should engage in Dragon Quest some time. Especially the DS remakes.

About the FUBAR-level stupid ending (I can't find better words for this) Toriyama gave to Future Trunks: Would it have been so HARD to make Trunks at the last minute just decide to destroy the Time Machine and give a speech where he says he's already at home and finally be 100% integrated into the cast? Come on, Toriyama.

edited 3rd Jun '18 5:28:24 PM by ZeroDozer

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#84279: Jun 3rd 2018 at 5:31:10 PM

Trunks needs more losses...

Hopefully this new universe is also taken from him...

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#84280: Jun 3rd 2018 at 6:36:49 PM

I'm imagining Future Trunks staying in the present and ending up some kind of weird uncle to present Trunks because explaining the complexities of time travel to an actual child is hard

"Wow so you named me after cool Uncle Trunks?"

"Yes. That was definitely the thought process and you were not named after underwear."

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#84281: Jun 3rd 2018 at 6:40:32 PM

Toriyama: "Trunks's introduction in the comic was kinda Mary Sue-ish. I should turn him into my new punching bag to make up for that."

You can't prove that wasn't the thought process.

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#84282: Jun 3rd 2018 at 6:43:09 PM

Iunno

Trunks' being set up as the new hotness easily remurdering Freeza is supposed to build up the androids

It's very "even this cool guy is worthless compared to me having watched Terminator 2 recently"

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#84283: Jun 3rd 2018 at 6:48:19 PM

Yeah. Dragonball is built on new guys establishing how awesome they are by stepping over the corpses of the the ones who came before them...in order to establish someone even more powerful than them.

It's the Zen of Z.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#84284: Jun 3rd 2018 at 7:15:42 PM

I'm still not convinced the Androids are stronger than Frieza overall. In close combat definitely, but they never demonstrate anywhere near the same destructive capacity. 16 is at once supposed to be the strongest and ultimately the least impressive in terms of actual showings.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#84285: Jun 3rd 2018 at 7:16:37 PM

They literally have to be stronger.

Freeza < Super Saiyan < Androids

Power in Dragonball is transitive.

They could blow up the Earth if they wanted to. They just don't want to.

edited 3rd Jun '18 7:17:08 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#84286: Jun 3rd 2018 at 7:18:58 PM

I don't just mean the Death Ball; Frieza's other techniques like the super-Kienzan, the exploding laser whip thing, etc. were all far more impressive than anything the Androids did.

And keep in mind I totally agree Frieza would lose in close combat, which the Androids seem to specialize in.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#84287: Jun 3rd 2018 at 7:20:55 PM

If you're arguing that Freeza has more visually impressive techniques then sure. But that doesn't mean he has more destructive power.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#84288: Jun 3rd 2018 at 7:22:15 PM

Unless the Androids show more destructive power, which they don't, then yes he does.

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edited 3rd Jun '18 7:22:31 PM by HamburgerTime

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#84289: Jun 3rd 2018 at 7:22:26 PM

Its worth noting that the difference between the Androids and Freeza isn't something slight. They're stronger by a great deal: they curbstomped Trunks who, in turn, curbstomped Freeza. In neither case was the stronger party even really trying, honestly.

If Freeza was capable of doing anything but mussing up 18's hair a little, I'd be very surprised.

edited 3rd Jun '18 7:23:11 PM by KnownUnknown

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#84290: Jun 3rd 2018 at 7:22:56 PM

[up][up] Not in this series.

I know why show don't tell is a rule, but the quality of the story is immaterial.

The androids are stronger than Trunks, who is stronger than Freeza. Everything increases similtaneously; speed, strength, ki blast power, durability.

edited 3rd Jun '18 7:23:52 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#84291: Jun 3rd 2018 at 7:23:51 PM

Do the Androids even fire a single Ki blast in OG Dragonball Z? I know the future Androids do, but the present ones? Maybe they literally cannot blow up the Earth.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#84292: Jun 3rd 2018 at 7:25:16 PM

[up][up][up] Eh, I think the super-Kienzan and of course the Death Ball could put them down. 16 in particular, who in spite of his strength seems largely hollow from what we see of his inner workings.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#84293: Jun 3rd 2018 at 7:25:42 PM

Unless you count Gero's eye laser, I don't think so. 18 prepares to fire one when Trunks returns to the future, though, but she gets killed before she can do so.

[up] If the energy blast Vegeta fired at 18, which at his level of strength would probably have overwhelmed the Death Ball, couldn't significantly damage her, I don't see why the Death Ball itself could. It's basically just a ball of energy powered by the user's ki. If the level of said ki isn't stronger than the defenses of the opponent, it's not going to do anything.

It would work if he used it to destroy the planet rather than attack them directly, though.

As for Freeza's kienzan, if it's anything like Krillin's kienzan it could hurt them, but Krillin has never had any lethal success using it on stronger opponents and I doubt Freeza would again here.

edited 3rd Jun '18 7:28:33 PM by KnownUnknown

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#84294: Jun 3rd 2018 at 7:28:20 PM

I don't think they do.

How odd.

And again, power level is all categories raised similtaneously and it is transitive.

edited 3rd Jun '18 7:28:58 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#84295: Jun 3rd 2018 at 7:37:57 PM

Quick challenge. Create a power level ranking of all Dragon Ball characters but only taking into account who made the biggest explosions happen and ignoring "X beat Y".

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#84296: Jun 3rd 2018 at 7:38:52 PM

[up] Too lazy to do a full list but Freeza and Pure Boo would be tied.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#84297: Jun 3rd 2018 at 7:38:58 PM

Freeza takes the cake then, because he's still the only character to actually destroy planets, not just say he can.

Wait, did Pure Boo blow up a planet?

edited 3rd Jun '18 7:39:19 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#84298: Jun 3rd 2018 at 7:41:08 PM

Yeah he exploded Earth and in the anime also a bunch of other planets.

edited 3rd Jun '18 7:42:08 PM by Moth13

ZeroDozer Incinerate! ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!! from Santo André, SP, Brazil Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
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#84299: Jun 3rd 2018 at 7:43:00 PM

Various planets, starting with Earth. And let's not forget the ones he blew up under Bibidi's command.

edited 3rd Jun '18 7:43:52 PM by ZeroDozer

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#84300: Jun 3rd 2018 at 7:54:34 PM

Unless the Androids show more destructive power, which they don't, then yes he does.

I have to say, that's a terrible missuse of Show, Don't Tell. We know how strong Frieza was, and we know how Trunks, someone shown to be able to easily best him, compared to the Androids of his time. That the Androids are stronger, yes, in also in terms of raw power, is basic logic.

It's not a matter of Show, Don't Tell that they didn't blow up a planet or something. As far as I'm aware Tien never did anything as visually impressive as blowing up the Moon, but Roshi still acknowledged him as his superior when they fought.

Honestly, Show, Don't Tell is probably one of the most misused and abused tropes.

edited 3rd Jun '18 7:55:47 PM by LSBK


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