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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#84026: May 22nd 2018 at 12:27:47 AM

I think i preferred 17's interactions with the Fireballs in the anime.

And how 18 eliminated Rebrianne. Speaking of, Rebrianne wasn't all that bad in the anime. She did admit she was acting hypocritical after she lost and that she still had a lot to learn about love.

edited 22nd May '18 12:35:57 AM by Cortez

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84027: May 22nd 2018 at 12:35:52 AM

She was an annoying scrub who took way too much of our time.

The only reason she lasted so long was because she had the Devil's luck really.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#84028: May 22nd 2018 at 12:36:27 AM

Well that's one opinion. The use of the word "scrub" is rather excessive.

Eh, she was fun and i liked 17 playing the part of a magical girl villain in their fight, same with 18.

In general, i got a soft spot for U2, they were fun.

edited 22nd May '18 1:14:14 AM by Cortez

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#84029: May 22nd 2018 at 12:38:09 AM

I've heard a couple of people suggest that the Caulifla/Kale vs Pride Trooper fight could probably happen in the next chapter. Either that or the Gohan vs Saonel/Pirina fight. Hell, it could even be Roshi vs the last of Universe 4. All scenarios are pretty likely at this point.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#84030: May 22nd 2018 at 2:29:15 AM

Not a fan of changing the Kamikaze Fireballs so much. They're not even magical girls anymore, and Ribrianne's gimmick being beauty-named attacks is a lot more boring than making it the power of love. Piccolo's elimination of Gamisaras and by Damon is pretty much the exact same as in the anime, except the anime somehow managed to handle that fight better.

The manga's pacing is really shooting itself in the foot, nothing feels climactic or epic and everything just kind of falls flat. Even the battle choreography is boring, though it's a little better than last chapter, which turned Master Assassin "scalpel in a world of sledgehammers" Hit into just another sledgehammer.

As for whether I have a flowchart of all of the TOP characters... not quite. I do have MANY, MANY tables of Dragon Ball characters to help me plan out my future movie ideas, and one of them is just the Tournament of Power contestants with notes on their special abilities and any notable background they might have.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#84031: May 22nd 2018 at 2:38:42 AM

The magical girl thing was the kind of meta gag that didn't really fit DB's humour, and it was mostly used to make Rib into a fat joke or other jokes that were grating like 17 being asked by Goku to allow them to transform.

I don't think the anime version of Gamiramis/Damon was a better fight because they dragged out what should be an extremely simple gimmick. I like that Piccolo doesn't have much trouble with an invisible fighter since that wasn't a big issue for early Yamcha. It'd just make the characters look bad to have an extended sequence of just trying to fight one invisible guy.

This is hard to do on my phone but I want to compare a list of Super episodes to see what has been adapted so far. I did this for the U 9 elimination chapter and I was surprised at the number of plot threads that had been efficiently covered compared to the anime.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84032: May 22nd 2018 at 2:41:06 AM

I mean really the whole Magical Girl gimmick was pretty shallow all things considered, which makes sense considering they were never planned to be ones from the start.

Its like one of those poorly made parodies where the people doing the parodying only bothers to parody the really surface level stuff cause they can't be bothered to dig deep & find the stuff actually worth homaging.

Like I don't watch much Magical Girl stuff but even I know there's more they could have done. Seriously the entirety of the joke with them is screaming about love like a broken record & overtly long transformations. Its quite clear they never put much thought in the gimmick at all aside from really superficial elements.

[up] And here I thought Toriyama was very selective about the jokes they put in. tongue

edited 22nd May '18 2:42:25 AM by slimcoder

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#84033: May 22nd 2018 at 2:48:22 AM

The anime using like 3 "Ribrianne is fat" jokes really isn't as bad as her entire screentime in the manga being comprised of "Ribrianne is ugly" jokes.

As to the idea that the Kamikaze Fireballs are a shallow parody, here's an 8 and a half minute long video detailing all of the references behind her character made by a huge fan of magical girl shows. She's not the deepest of characters, but it's clear she's an Affectionate Parody.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#84034: May 22nd 2018 at 3:02:41 AM

That's completely inaccurate. The manga acknowledges that Rib isn't conventionally attractive while pointing out that different standards exist and doesn't even devote as much to that as Kuririn complaining about their appearance in the anime. The anime makes both Rib and Kuririn hypocrites.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#84035: May 22nd 2018 at 3:18:19 AM

And the anime did just that, so what's your point? The anime also had Rebrianne learning from her mistakes, which you keep ignoring.

And the Magical Girl gags fit in just fine, just like the Sentai gags.

And it's not like gags are alien to dragon ball, it originally was a gag manga and the Affectionate Parody to Magical Girls isn't the weirdest gag that have been in Dragon Ball. Not by a long shot.

edited 22nd May '18 3:21:08 AM by Cortez

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#84036: May 22nd 2018 at 3:24:40 AM

Good ole Anime vs Manga debates, never get tired of these.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#84037: May 22nd 2018 at 3:26:17 AM

The anime really didn't go the 'different standards' angle as they thought Kuririn was ugly due to the qualities that made him conventionally unattractive.

I'm not ignoring anything - the final scene of Rib deciding that 18 and Kuririn's love is true doesn't change that she found him ugly or that she was obnoxious and unplesant for the rest of her screentime. She was also incredibly annoying when she wasn't focused on that specific thing, so it's not just that issue.

I'm not saying that gags are foreign to DB - obviously I'm not, as I'm talking about the gags I like - or that the magical girl gag is 'weird', I don't think it fits DB's humour like a lot of the references Toei added.

edited 22nd May '18 3:28:11 AM by Saiga

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#84038: May 22nd 2018 at 3:30:39 AM

Actually, I have to agree with Yakuzu here, debating the quality of the Super manga vs the anime gets old quick.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#84039: May 22nd 2018 at 3:34:13 AM

That seems really hypocritical when you keep bringingvit up.

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#84040: May 22nd 2018 at 3:42:23 AM

Um, are you referring to the bottom of the last page? Because I was just continuing the ongoing conversation about the chapter. If you mean in general, I try not to bring it up until it's relevant, and considering how recently the last chapter came out, I'd say it's pretty relevant. I'm allowed to have participated in the conversation recently and now be tired of it. As I said, it gets old pretty quickly.

edited 22nd May '18 3:42:42 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84041: May 22nd 2018 at 6:38:45 AM

I do think Ribrianne having different standards of beauty works better than her just being Jerkass.

But I did also like the Magical Girl transformations as well...even if they ruined it with the Goku says 17 should have let them finish thing (though Toppo actually agreeing with him was kinda funny).

Rib did last far longer than she needed to in the anime though. The manga, while very short, gave us a good idea of her personality through her judgement of Krillin (considering him handsome), while the anime kinda got stale after a while.

Neither version took her very seriously though.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#84042: May 22nd 2018 at 9:35:10 AM

Read it.

That was actually a fun chapter. Ribrianne having different standards of beauty and conflating that is a clever gag, because you know she's calling Krillin ugly without actually saying it. Got a good chuckle out of me.

Vegeta still getting into a pissing contest with Goku is whatever, that's all he will ever be it seems.

The eliminations are about the same as the Anime tho, so not much to comment on with that. Hope the Roshi and 17 wank is slightly toned down.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#84043: May 22nd 2018 at 10:52:44 AM

Apparently there's a lot of people mad at Toyotaro for tracing a Captain America pose for Goku. That's a weird sentence...

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#84044: May 22nd 2018 at 10:59:21 AM

Seriously, he totally should have traced a Superman stance instead.

This song needs more love.
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#84045: May 22nd 2018 at 11:11:24 AM

TBH it is refreshing to see Piccolo in control and not as a regenerating sandbag.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#84046: May 22nd 2018 at 11:20:37 AM

Um, are you referring to the bottom of the last page? Because I was just continuing the ongoing conversation about the chapter. If you mean in general, I try not to bring it up until it's relevant, and considering how recently the last chapter came out, I'd say it's pretty relevant. I'm allowed to have participated in the conversation recently and now be tired of it. As I said, it gets old pretty quickly.

I'd imagine he's referring more to your habit of dumping on the manga in comparison to the anime whenever possible, which certainly appears to be a thing you do.

Which isn't to say there's anything particularly wrong with prefer the anime to the manga (or manga to the anime), but you bring it up often enough that it seems more like "Okay, people constantly talked about things they disliked about the anime, so I have to do the same thing to the manga because I'm really defensive." than something that naturally fits into ongoing conversation.

edited 22nd May '18 11:21:57 AM by LSBK

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#84047: May 22nd 2018 at 11:34:13 AM

Toyotaro traces a lot of stuff, quite a bit of it from DBZ, but he steals lineart from some other sources too.

[up]Oh, I want the manga to be good. I'll just stop talking about how awful it is when it stops being awful. So far, almost everything in the Tournament of Power has utterly fallen flat. The one good thing the manga has going for it in this arc is that Frost looked pretty cool, but Frost wasn't one of the areas where the anime was lacking, so the manga just feels like a small waste of time (since the chapters are so far apart, it's not even a big waste of time).

Also, again, I try and stay away from talking about it unless there's a reason to, like a new chapter.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#84048: May 22nd 2018 at 11:43:53 AM

I've seen no proof that he steals lineart regularly. That's a huge claim to make without back up.

He copies poses (more so earlier in the manga), but tgat's nowhere near using someone else's line art.

I've looked into the allegedly traced promotional image and it looks pretty damning, but there are multiple alignments that make it unclear whether it is really a trace. People are obviously following their own agendas here, and Toyo has some persistent detractors.

If it is tracing, that's pretty disappointing even if it is just in a promotional image and not in the main product. If Toyo is too busy to do proper artworks for promo images they should use another artists for those.

edited 22nd May '18 11:44:32 AM by Saiga

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#84049: May 22nd 2018 at 11:54:53 AM

Okay, yes, I take it back. "Stealing lineart" is too extreme and hyperbolic of a statement. That said, he does trace an awful lot of DBZ, I'm not surprised that he does similar to other works.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#84050: May 22nd 2018 at 11:59:30 AM

I don't think he traces Z either. I just think he copies the poses. Copies as in draws the same pose on his own, not directly tracing over the image.

And he's doing it less as time goes on, which is good as I found it really distracting (and obviously, unotiginal). I'll take goofy looking art over unnessecary homages.


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