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Part of my idea had BOG moving directly into U 6 with Goku/Vegeta not having the new God forms until Goku vs Hit and Vegeta vs Black respectively.
I don't think it is for the best for them to have more transformations, it'd be better to just work around the moments that depend on them. Especially if Ultimate Gohan is still a thing.
Having the old forms could still work if the powered-up base was completely cut and things were kept consistent, but that'd effect Black as well.
edited 2nd May '18 1:41:05 PM by Saiga
That is hands down the worst way to handle it.
There's no indicator for what they're using, there is no reason for them to use lower forms at all except for sandbagging, it makes things unclear and harder to understand and muddles up any attempt to have consistency.
All of these are already big, ongoing problems with Super.
I already said you'd need to cut the powered up base forms to fit in the old transformations, and that's why. They don't play nice together.
Trying to enable the writers to have their cake and eat it too is enabling bad, lazy writing instead of finding ways to make the plot work in a clear and concise way.
Toei can't even be bothered to animate the lightning aura of SSJ2 90% of the time even though that's often the only way to tell when it's being used. What on Earth makes you think they could be assed to do that?
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!I do agree that trying to keep Goku and Vegeta's newer forms while still maintaining their lower forms is a recipe for disaster; if the new transformations are outright better than the old ones, what use is there in using them? This is why you never saw Kaioken again after Goku became Super Saiyan, because the latter was just flat out better in every way.
I'd say their base forms should at least be as powerful as when they'd be using SSJ 1 before.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.The other option is trying some sort of Multiform Balance.
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"I won't argue that, although I'll still argue that Kaioken could have remained useful if Toriyama had been willing to iron out some limits on how high you could set it.
And Super Saiyan does still have the massive Stamina drain issues, especially in its higher forms (particularly 3), just as Kaioken does more damage to you the higher the level you use, and Goku never overcomes 3's drain before achieving God it seems.
One Strip! One Strip!Rob, we've been through this before, so I'm not even going to bother explaining; Dragon Ball is as Dragon Ball does.
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That doesn't really work because all of the transformations do literally the same thing, just being better versions of the last. The only exceptions being the Mid forms between SSJ 1 and SSJ 2 and those were already deemed Awesome, but Impractical and were rendered obsolete when SSJ 2 became a thing, having all of the benefits but with none of the drawbacks.
edited 2nd May '18 3:34:59 PM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Heh. I suppose I should be lucky I got such a restrained answer.
Anyway, I've been thinking...
<Everyone everywhere groans>
SHUT IT!!! Anyway, I think I finally figured out why Toei jumped the gun with Gogeta.
Remember, Toriyama had made Gohan the hero, and with Goku (and Vegeta) dead, they probably though the chances of Toriyama fusing them were slim to none. So they figured they'd do a little dream scenario for something that wouldn't happen in the series.
They'd probably already gotten the movie mostly done when Toriyama changed gears and decided to make Goku the hero again (and I doubt he mentioned that, as I can picture it being a very last minute decision on his part, though if we know when he made this decision, I'll rescind that statement).
So simply put, they made the decision based on old information. That's my theory.
One Strip! One Strip!Honestly, as silly as he was, I think Wallpaper Zamasu did a better job of coming off as a threat that necessitated the Nuclear Option that is Zen-O than the manga's version of him.
One Strip! One Strip!How miserable must Future Chi-Chi's life be? She lost her husband, lost her only son and will either be killed by the body of her husband(again) or massacred with everyone else in that timeline. Assuming she even survives to that point and doesn't suffer Death by Despair. Or worse, killing herself
I guess we'll never know, since we never even see Future Chi-chi. She's either dead, or just not important enough to appear.
One Strip! One Strip!I think that Super does the whole no stakes stuff pretty well. Like, I think the well recieved episodes are the ones like the Yamcha baseball episode where they all kind of mess around.
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"He does have a very different motivation from previous villains (it's not about revenge, hurting people for the sake of hurting them, or making himself even more powerful).
I don't think any of the other villains believed they were doing anything right. In fact I doubt they cared. Zamasu actually did want to help the universe, he was just totally wrong in both what he wanted to do, and how he wanted to do it.
One Strip! One Strip!It was kinda fun seeing him reach that point.
I mean, we don't usually see the villain on the path to becoming a villain.
Of course, that's only if you enjoy the anime's rendition of it, which I know some don't care for (though I think the manga had them figure out how things were really happening lightning quick too).
One Strip! One Strip!

That is the greatest attack name ever. Nothing else will ever come close.
This song needs more love.