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Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#83626: May 1st 2018 at 12:46:30 PM

You know the infinity guantlet stuff has me wondering, which is stronger the Infinity Guantlet or the Super Dragon balls. The inifinity Guantlet can make half the universe dissappear with just a snap, but the Super Dragon balls can bring back multiple universes... so hmmm which one do you think is stronger?

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#83627: May 1st 2018 at 1:32:06 PM

Super Dragon Balls simply because they're a multi-dimensional item whereas the Infinity Gauntlet is single dimension.

Of course, within the confines of a single universe, the Infinity Gauntlet is better since it's infinite use so there ya go.

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#83628: May 1st 2018 at 1:50:09 PM

The only things stronger then the Infinity Gauntlet are The Living Tribunal and the One above all.

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#83629: May 1st 2018 at 1:57:47 PM

What about the Heart of the Universe?

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#83630: May 1st 2018 at 2:31:42 PM

So, I've been thinking. Here are some of my ideas to fix up a bit of Dragon Ball Super, taking elements from the manga and anime.

Godly Super Saiyan is an incomplete Super Saiyan Blue, a yellow-haired Super Saiyan that incorporates Godly Ki which changes the appearance of the aura. Goku uses this form to fight Beerus after he falls out of Super Saiyan God and Trunks uses this form to fight Goku Black in the place of Super Saiyan Rage.

Keep Trunks and Zamasu healing people and Goku Black, respectively, but get rid of the dumb "only Kaioshin Apprentices can heal" explanation. Instead, the ability to heal is an inherent property of Godly Ki, explaining Kibito healing Gohan, Goku healing from Beerus stabbing him, Trunks saving Mai from the brink of death, Zamasu healing Goku Black (which he can do a lot of because Future Zamasu is immortal and has infinite Godly Ki), and Goku saving Roshi from the brink of death. It still takes more Godly Ki to heal stronger people or more extreme injuries, so it's not overpowered. Trunks unknowingly having Godly Ki from training under Future Shin also neatly explains how he's able to use Godly Super Saiyan.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#83631: May 1st 2018 at 2:44:52 PM

Oh yeah, I'd completely forgotten that Super Sayian God gave Goku the ability to heal, and then that just... never came up again.

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#83632: May 1st 2018 at 5:08:08 PM

I do think a hybrid of the Anime and Manga can salvage most of Super's problems.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#83633: May 1st 2018 at 5:13:23 PM

It definitely needs to be more...together.

What they should have done is publish a few chapter of the manga (enough for a twelve or twenty four episode cour of the anime), and then, fill it in with some filler about the character not being focused on in certain plots (with Toriyama keeping them up to speed on what those characters are doing so they don't contradict the manga the way they have before).

Basically, while the main story focuses on the character Toriyama cares about writing, the anime occasionally fills the gap on what others are doing with the Slice of Life fillers that are arguably their best work. They coordinate with Akira to ensure that what they do doesn't contradict what he comes up with later and boom goes the dyanamite!

Super is good.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#83634: May 1st 2018 at 5:41:32 PM

What they should have done is publish a few chapter of the manga (enough for a twelve or twenty four episode cour of the anime)

That's just not feasible when chapters come out monthly.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#83635: May 1st 2018 at 6:02:43 PM

That's why they needed to let it run for a bit.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#83636: May 1st 2018 at 6:41:31 PM

I wouldn't add Godly Super Saiyan as a separate form in the God form hierarchy, it's getting too bloated.

I'd just have that take the place of Blue in the story.

Back when RF was released I liked the idea of Goku only having one transformation beyond base, with his base form becoming more powerful to eclipse the redundant transformations. But that wouldn't work with the TOP arc, because Goku would be too powerful outside of his stamina draining form for them to make a plot point of conserving energy. Ultimate Gohan had the same problem, though.

Really, it's poor plotting to make an arc about stamina conservation and energy issues after the characters get abilities that trivially deal with that.

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#83637: May 1st 2018 at 7:55:55 PM

That's because if Goku and Vegeta could just use their god abilities with no drawbacks, they'd either steamroll everyone not on God level or the opponents they face would have to be leveled up to give them a challenge.

I would have had Blue had the stamina issue from the beginning and just have Goku and Vegeta work on having to deal with that up until the TOP.

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#83638: May 1st 2018 at 7:59:39 PM

That's because if Goku and Vegeta could just use their god abilities with no drawbacks, they'd either steamroll everyone not on God level

I do believe that would be ideal, yes. In a series about the characters becoming stronger and surpassing their limits, why would I want to watch them not surpassing their limits and only being as strong as the guys they beat ages ago? or even worse, dying to a fucking laser gun, somehow

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#83639: May 1st 2018 at 8:06:03 PM

That's why they needed to let it run for a bit.

Remember that Dragon Ball Super was rushed into production, which is why they redid the movies as arcs and why the animation suffered so much at the beginning. Letting the manga go on its own for a year or two doesn't seem like it would have been on the cards, especially since the manga started out as advertisement for the anime.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#83640: May 1st 2018 at 8:14:54 PM

[up][up][up] My idea is that Goku's powered up base would still be noticeably weaker than his 'God' form so the stamina issues would still matter, more like his base wiuld be as powerful as his now redundant Super Saiyan forms which would be fine moving forward.

But then he gets put up against a bunch of opponents who are hilariously short of his Super Saiyan forms, giving him Super Saiyan 3 power without stamina issues would make those things trivial.

Again, though, Ultimate Gohan is in the same boat while being significantly stronger so there's a problem with the TOP premise anyway.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#83641: May 2nd 2018 at 12:14:31 AM

NEW SUPER DRAGON BALL HEROES GAMEPLAY TRAILER:

  • Golden Cooler
  • The new masked saiyan is known as the "Devil Saiyan"
  • Rage Prisoner Trunks uses the galick gun
  • Berserk Goku seems to be using Burning Impact for some reason
  • There's 3 secret cards in this set

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#83642: May 2nd 2018 at 1:15:11 AM

Sweet! I've been waiting for Golden Cooler for a long while.

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#83643: May 2nd 2018 at 1:16:41 AM

And now Freiza has lost the only thing he held over his brother. tongue

As always Cooler is ....... Cooler. [lol]

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#83644: May 2nd 2018 at 1:49:54 AM

Is that Raditz? This totally feels like when they were trying to act like it wasn't 100% obvious the Masked Saiyan was Bardock.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#83645: May 2nd 2018 at 1:53:52 AM

[up] His voice is a bit distorted and the hair bang is a bit weird, but it seems like the Devil Saiyan could actually be a mutated Raditz. No idea about the weird energy fists, though...

edited 2nd May '18 1:55:13 AM by Rinsankajugin

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#83646: May 2nd 2018 at 7:06:44 AM

One of the many problems with the Super anime is that it went for the always running format rather than the infinitely smarter seasonal format that basically everyone is using these days.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#83647: May 2nd 2018 at 7:34:41 AM

That mainly only matters for budget reasons. Any other problem people have with Super would still be there.

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#83648: May 2nd 2018 at 7:44:53 AM

It also allows better pacing and planning, since they would have more time to do the latter and a definite amount of episodes mean less padding and filler.

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#83649: May 2nd 2018 at 9:37:52 AM

Goku and Vegeta having a powered up base and only one transformation also doesn't work in their interactions with the U6 Saiyans. Vegeta showing Cabba Super Saiyan 1 and Goku showing the girls Super Saiyans 2 and 3 is kind of a major plot point, as is Goku fighting Trunks using those forms. As much as I know you don't like them having a bunch of transformations, Dragon Ball Super is written in such a way that it's kind of important that Goku and Vegeta have the yellow-haired Super Saiyan forms in addition to their godly forms. In the end, having more transformations is for the best.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#83650: May 2nd 2018 at 10:53:03 AM

Turns out Goku's new form is called Super Saiyan Berserk (not to be confused with Kale's Super Saiyan "Berserk") and his special attack is called "Berserk Dragon Funk"...


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