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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#83476: Apr 25th 2018 at 6:50:20 PM

Maybe a form that's in-between 2nd and 3rd, in terms of appearance?

edited 25th Apr '18 6:50:41 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#83477: Apr 25th 2018 at 6:55:25 PM

I feel like there's not much point having more than two forms if Freeza is going through them all in one fight.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#83478: Apr 25th 2018 at 7:14:48 PM

[up]But how else is Toriyama supposed to plagiarize Alien?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#83479: Apr 25th 2018 at 7:30:27 PM

Piccolo showing up on Namek in general, in retrospect, didn't really add too much to the story beyond a tiny bit of homecoming with him interacting with Namek itself (and its one remaining inhabitant). He stalls the story a little longer by matching Freeza's current form and going down to his next, which we had gotten with a lot more oomph already

edited 25th Apr '18 7:30:37 PM by KnownUnknown

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#83480: Apr 25th 2018 at 7:53:30 PM

Piccoro secretly wanted the plan to fail...

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#83481: Apr 25th 2018 at 7:54:54 PM

Yeah, that could easily be cut.

Conversely, you could have him arrive sooner, in place of Goku's first arrival and have him fight the Ginyu force before being part of the group fight against first form Freeza before Goku arrives and fights transformed Freeza.

That also avoids the issue of Goku getting taken out nearly as soon as he arrives, defeating the Ginyus in a manner far too similar to his take down of Nappa, and needing a ridiculous power-up to match Freeza.

And Piccolo does more than just getting his ass kicked by Freeza while stalling for time.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#83482: Apr 25th 2018 at 8:00:07 PM

[up]

This I like. So in other words, they managed to make their wishes much sooner, maybe when they first team up with Vegeta and rush to use the balls before the Ginyu's arrive.

But then, Guru would still need to die before they can wish Guru immortal, and they'd have to take Dende with them in order to make the wish.

Also, there's the matter of Nail. He's strong enough that Piccolo wouldn't be needed, so I suppose you'd need to shuffle his ass kicking at the hands of Frieza as well.

But I like that. It leaves more of a point to Piccolo's arrival, and avoids Goku being taken out, even if it doesn't solve the issue of writing him out to create tension also...

And it lets someone else do something actually significant as well.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#83483: Apr 25th 2018 at 8:43:45 PM

Yeah, they need to make the wishes before Ginyu arrives and Freeza needs to be kept occupied for the Ginyu fights.

My idea is that Freeza needed to leave the planet to call in the Ginyus, and only returns once he finds out they failed. It's not perfect and I'm brainstorming other possibilities but I think the main points would be a good change.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#83484: Apr 25th 2018 at 8:44:49 PM

Nail was comparable to the Ginyus; might've been interesting to see him join that fight.

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#83485: Apr 25th 2018 at 8:45:20 PM

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#83486: Apr 25th 2018 at 8:46:54 PM

I really like that idea, unfortunately it almost completely removes Goku from a major arc he's already barely involved in.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#83487: Apr 25th 2018 at 8:49:05 PM

Goku doesn't belong there anyway. Hell, Toriyama was constantly separating Goku from everyone else in the story as early as the second arc.

It's just that after a while, he stopped caring what Goku did beyond showing up to save everyone else.

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#83489: Apr 25th 2018 at 8:55:36 PM

He's only suppose to interact with new characters...

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#83490: Apr 25th 2018 at 8:56:56 PM

I don't mind Goku's minimal presence in the arc, he's there for the most important part. You don't lose much by having him be absent for the Ginyu portion.

@HT that was part of my idea, yes. He'd just go with the heroes (and Vegeta) and get doubke teamed by Jheese and Butta so they feel less extravenous.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#83491: Apr 25th 2018 at 8:59:22 PM

[up]Though you do lose something by having him act as the Deus ex Machina to defeat a villain he has a tangential connection to.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#83492: Apr 25th 2018 at 9:01:35 PM

So...when you say the Ginyu Force takedown was a repeat of vs. Nappa...

Is it like...the defeat of Recoome and Burter are Karrot using Kaioken against Nappa...

While the struggle against C. Ginyu is when Nappa focuses and makes the fight more even?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#83493: Apr 25th 2018 at 9:02:39 PM

Then again, I myself have theorized that Goku being less prominent in the story (mostly showing up to save the day) was probably on purpose depending on when Toriyama decided he was gonna switch gears and make Gohan the hero.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#83494: Apr 25th 2018 at 9:09:40 PM

[up][up][up] That doesn't really change by having him fight the Ginyus.

[up][up] Particularly, Goku defeats Butta in the exact same way that he beat Nappa, just without using the Kaio-ken.

[up] It was definitely on purpose but I think it was originally devised for suspense and a way to preserve Goku for the most important parts of the arc.

edited 25th Apr '18 9:10:42 PM by Saiga

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#83495: Apr 25th 2018 at 9:18:43 PM

Yeah, but it took like 3 hits...

Nappa only took 2...

[up]Oh that, is pretty similar yes.

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#83496: Apr 25th 2018 at 10:03:53 PM

Its not a blow for blow thing but the similarities lie in Goku showing up and effortlessly beating someone that had been giving Krillin, Gohan, and Former Villain of the Previous Arc trouble but then getting seriously injured in the course of defeating the Boss so that Gohan and Krillin and Third Character have to carry the plot alone while he recovers.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#83497: Apr 25th 2018 at 11:10:08 PM

Goku does the same back-breaking/hoist over the head with one hand and drop them at their ally's feat maneouver with both Nappa and Butta.

Fun detail, Vegeta kills both of them in response to this.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#83498: Apr 25th 2018 at 11:17:48 PM

It could be their team attack...in a game if acknowledged.

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#83499: Apr 26th 2018 at 1:11:31 AM

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That's....that's not a "fun" detail at all. 0_o

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#83500: Apr 26th 2018 at 1:18:32 AM

Vegeta loves killing helpless opponents. Makes him tingle right in the Saiyan pride.

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