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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#83326: Apr 21st 2018 at 10:38:12 AM

There's no reason for Kid Buu to be stronger though since Super Buu is a by product of Kid and Fat.

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#83327: Apr 21st 2018 at 10:44:59 AM

It probably would have been an easy way to contrive a way that Goku couldn't just instant transmission some reinforcements in. A barrier of some kind or some property of the place they fought. Contrivance is easy.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#83328: Apr 21st 2018 at 11:03:54 AM

Goku was terrified of fighting Super Buu without fusion. Against Kid Buu, he holds his own as Super Saiyan 3 and isn't really worried.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#83329: Apr 21st 2018 at 11:06:10 AM

I've always said that they probably could have found a way to both keep the Spirit Bomb part and have Gohan come in and finish things, but that's not what Toriyama wanted to do.

Goku was back in the drivers seat, and he was sticking with that, all other solutions be damned.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#83330: Apr 21st 2018 at 11:11:26 AM

[up][up]Goku was still worried against Kid Buu, because he was burning through his stamina and energy with 3 while Buu didn't tire out at all. Even if Kid Buu was weaker, Goku didn't have enough power to straight up finish him off and the longer the fight dragged on, the worse it was for him.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#83331: Apr 21st 2018 at 11:22:32 AM

In terms of strength it goes:

Buuhan > Buutenks > Buff Buu > Super Buu > Evil Buu > Fat Buu > Kid Buu > Mr. Buu

No idea where exactly either Buuccolo or Good Buu fit in, but Buuccolo is around Buff Buu and Good Buu is probably between Fat Buu and Kid Buu.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#83332: Apr 21st 2018 at 11:28:05 AM

Maybe you could come up with some contrivance, but the story didn't do that. It's acknowledged the only reason they're going with a harder and unnecessary plan is because Vegeta wants to make a point about "the people of Earth saving themselves".

edited 21st Apr '18 11:28:16 AM by LSBK

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#83333: Apr 21st 2018 at 11:36:23 AM

Goku didn't even consider fighting super Buu without using fusion. He seemed pretty fine with not using it against Kid Buu despite getting a new set of earrings to use.

While I am pretty sure it was anime filler Gohan Buu took Goku and Vegeta to the cleaners without much of an effort.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#83334: Apr 21st 2018 at 11:39:06 AM

I think that was in the manga. Vegeta not wanting to fuse certainly was.

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#83335: Apr 21st 2018 at 11:48:12 AM

Btw, Chapter 35 of Super is officially out.

I'm amused that the manga makes no attempt to hide that Hit is a jobber, in the purest sense of the word, not the meme it's turned into.

His only two fights are just to show off the strength of his opponents, whether it's Goku figuring out his time skip or showing how Jiren measures to Goku.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#83337: Apr 21st 2018 at 12:13:43 PM

Toyotaro is really mashing the fast forward button. I don't like how Krillin and Tien both got eliminated without doing anything either. Who would've thought that horrible anime episode would be a more respectful showing for Tien?

That said, Time Lag is a neat trick.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#83338: Apr 21st 2018 at 12:33:46 PM

I know we like to mock the Anime for excessive fanservice but then the manga doesn't even try to entertain the idea that nobody but Goku and Vegeta matter, so a lot of things feel superfluous.

Time lag is pretty cool tho.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#83339: Apr 21st 2018 at 12:36:01 PM

The faster the manga blows through the cliff notes in Toriyama's rough draft the better.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#83340: Apr 21st 2018 at 12:41:25 PM

So, it's less that they skipped Omen and more that they moved Goku vs Jiren Round 1 and Hit losing to Jiren to earlier in the tournament.

Hit used a move that trapped Jiren in time in both versions and Jiren overcame said move just by being stronger/faster, so I wonder if that was part of the outline. Interesting that Hit trained his body to a level comparable to Perfect Super Saiyan Blue in the time in-between the two tournaments, as he was far below Super Saiyan Blue last time we saw him. Unfortunately, that decision makes Hit much more boring of a fighter. Also interesting that Goku can do Perfect Super Saiyan Blue with no downsides, health-wise or stamina-wise.

Oh yeah, we also got that moment of Krillin saying that Goku should have more and Whis correcting him that Goku's already at maximum, though it makes less sense here because I don't think Krillin knows about Perfect Super Saiyan Blue, so instead of thinking he could use a higher level of Kaioken, we have Krillin oddly wondering whether Goku has another transformation or not.

Finally, this fight was, compared to the two fights in the anime it combined, really boring and plain. Say one thing about the manga: the artwork is usually on point, but not here. Goku looks fine, but after multiple chapters of Jiren looking like some kind of glorious muscle-god, he looks really off here. The fight itself is also a lot less dynamic and interesting than either of these fights in the anime, amounting to half a chapter of just Goku and/or Hit punching and kicking Jiren while he stands stock-still and blocks.

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#83341: Apr 21st 2018 at 12:42:17 PM

You know, the Super anime's lumped us with a lot of shit. But there are just absolutely no high points in the manga at all, and I think that may actually be worse.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#83342: Apr 21st 2018 at 12:54:50 PM

Like, the only high points in this chapter are directly stolen from the anime, which did them better. The only original thing that was even conceptually better was having Goku and Hit team up, which was so unbelievably boring in execution that it retroactively makes the idea seem worse. The art and action's not even good, which is the one thing you could always say the manga was doing well up until now.

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#83343: Apr 21st 2018 at 2:15:08 PM

Well, at least Toyotaro's art is nice.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#83344: Apr 21st 2018 at 2:17:14 PM

Like, the Anime is what kept all of the hype moments. I mean, yea the story is a bit more coherent and the art is consistently better, but it reads more like an abridged version of things.

Huh, guess it really is like the OG manga.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#83345: Apr 21st 2018 at 2:21:34 PM

I think some of Toyotaro's weaknesses as a fanart drawer are being brought out by it though, the actual images are fine but the compositions are a bit lacking, if that makes sense, which weakens the action in the manga.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#83346: Apr 21st 2018 at 2:52:45 PM

I don't care which one is better. I got out of that mindset a long time ago because its not really important.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#83347: Apr 21st 2018 at 2:55:18 PM

I don't care enough to read the manga, but I do always find the "competition" mindset with this kind of thing interesting. For example, more than just preferring the anime, it often comes off like Pushover looks for any opportunity to insult the manga, at least to me.

edited 21st Apr '18 2:55:39 PM by LSBK

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#83348: Apr 21st 2018 at 3:14:33 PM

Comparing them is inevitable because they both cover events differently; the same was true for the original Anime and Manga. There's nothing wrong with preferring one over the other, the issue is that people tend to be jackasses about it.l

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#83349: Apr 21st 2018 at 3:25:18 PM

Yeah, but at this point I'd think neither of them being more "canon" or anything matters, in which case there's no point in getting riled up over "what really happened" or which did it better.

I know why it happens, but it's still interesting to watch.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#83350: Apr 21st 2018 at 3:34:03 PM

Honestly, while I mostly prefer the anime, in this case, I like the manga's portrayal of Hit's trick on Jiren.

It's like how Zoom's powers work in the comics.

In the long run, I'm mostly interested in how the two stories portray the different situations.

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