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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#83202: Apr 19th 2018 at 11:45:23 AM

Lol, what would Imperfect Cell bring to Cell to warrant him teaming up with an inferior version of himself?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#83204: Apr 19th 2018 at 11:46:47 AM

Vanity?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#83205: Apr 19th 2018 at 11:47:20 AM

Narcissism.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#83206: Apr 19th 2018 at 11:55:29 AM

I am curious as to whether Cell would feel some kind of odd kinship with his past self. He'd probably understand the latter's desire to be perfect very well (even if he wouldn't care that he screwed him out of it).

Likewise, as pissed as he would be at being denied his own chance at being perfect, Imperfect Cell would probably take pride in seeing what he could become as well, knowing it was everything he imagined.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#83207: Apr 19th 2018 at 12:04:39 PM

"I wanna get in on that"
"You mean-?"
"OH JUST EAT ME ALREADY YOU BEAUTIFUL PERFECT BASTARD"

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#83208: Apr 19th 2018 at 12:09:43 PM

...Well thanks for making that weird.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#83209: Apr 19th 2018 at 12:12:21 PM

'Swhat I do

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#83211: Apr 19th 2018 at 1:17:44 PM

I think I remembered wrong. Imperfect Cell and Perfect Cell teaming up might have been a Parallel Quest, but the only story mode mission like that was Future Android 16 teaming up with Future Perfect Cell (they acknowledged that 16 should not be that strong, and justified it with evil magic powering him and Cell up).

edited 19th Apr '18 1:18:07 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#83212: Apr 19th 2018 at 1:34:10 PM

Yeah, since future Cell is going to absorb the present Androids he would obviously be screwing over present Cell anyway. But even without that detail, why would he give a shit? This is the kind of nitpicky detail I don't like about Fusion's videos.

@Rob - can you summarize Masako's seven points?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#83213: Apr 19th 2018 at 1:35:38 PM

Yeah, that Cell isn't him, he has no reason to care about its interests. If anything, I could actually imagine Cell getting off (or his equivalent of it) of knowing there would be an imperfect version of himself around that he could lord his perfection over.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#83214: Apr 19th 2018 at 2:42:52 PM

[up][up]Yeah, since future Cell is going to absorb the present Androids he would obviously be screwing over present Cell anyway. But even without that detail, why would he give a shit? This is the kind of nitpicky detail I don't like about Fusion's videos.

But Fusion's barely even mentioned Cell at this point. I don't understand what you're saying.

edited 19th Apr '18 2:43:07 PM by MightyMatilda

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#83215: Apr 19th 2018 at 3:00:54 PM

Spoilers are coming around for the next Super chapter.

Chapter's basically dedicated to Hit vs. Jiren, with some brief tag-team work from Goku until Dyspo and Toppo get involved. Hit's eliminated, but that's basically all that happens. No signs of UI at all.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#83216: Apr 19th 2018 at 3:02:52 PM

[up][up][up][up]

Fusion doesn't say anything about Cell. We're the ones who brought him up...for some reason.

@Rob - can you summarize Masako's seven points?

Sure thing:

7) Lets explore the other universes;

6) Go easy on the Transformations;

5) Give Shin something to do;

4) A smarter Goku;

3) Let Goten and Trunks age;

2) Better Villains;

1) Give something to the human characters.

Not surprisingly, I agree with most of this. The thing with the humans will never happen. Toriyama never actually used them beyond being stepping stones to show Goku's power, and Goku has wiped out all the earth born enemies, and even if new ones showed up, he'd solve it in a second.

I suppose there's some Slice of Life eps they could do.

edited 19th Apr '18 3:03:07 PM by HandsomeRob

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#83217: Apr 19th 2018 at 3:02:53 PM

[up][up] ............ Huh.

edited 19th Apr '18 3:03:38 PM by slimcoder

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#83218: Apr 19th 2018 at 3:08:58 PM

Yeah, Fusion's a long way off from Cell, he's just gotten into the defeat of Goku by heart attack.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#83219: Apr 19th 2018 at 3:12:28 PM

And vaudeville robots

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#83220: Apr 19th 2018 at 3:14:45 PM

I did enjoy Fusion getting really harsh at the beginning of the Cell arc (as he said, what he was talking about then is the sort of stuff he's been wanting to talk about for a while and it certainly feels like that) but I also appreciate him for being able to see good underappreciated parts of DB as well and his breakdown of the Goku V 19 fight is actually quite good.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#83221: Apr 19th 2018 at 5:42:08 PM

Remember, Ultra Instinct Omen was Toei doing the false Super Saiyan from Lord Slug AGAIN.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#83222: Apr 19th 2018 at 5:48:07 PM

Mistare Fusion talking about how the Ginyu fight rips off elements of the Saiyan Saga makes me think of Dragon Ball going crazy with recursion

Goku beats up a strong guy that had been trashing his friends, gets incapacitated by strong guy's boss, Krillin and Gohan step up, Goku has to heal with Krillin and Gohan go on ahead with the plot

But every time it gets faster.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#83223: Apr 19th 2018 at 5:48:27 PM

Let's be real though, it was way better than mastered Ultra Instinct in aesthetics.

This might mean Goku is gonna flex on Kefla with just SSB lol.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#83224: Apr 19th 2018 at 6:03:31 PM

You know there are some similarities but the Toei movies do borrow from the series. The Dragon Ball series do repeat certain patterns, tropes and themes but it does try to utilize them in a different way.

"Mai waifu."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#83225: Apr 19th 2018 at 6:13:57 PM

Shiiiiiiiiit

I thought that the Cell thing came from the fusion video he posted because I know he disliked Cell's debut/motovation explanation and it sounds like something he'd say

My bad

I'm not surprised at Omen being an anime thing - it makes sense when we see 'mastered' ultra instinct and the drawbacks are even worse than Omen. The lack of build up will be a problem, but it makes the downside and inability to reuse it much easier to swallow. I just hope it doesn't just happen at the end of the Jiren fight, but I don't know how else Toyotarou could build it up.

[up][up][up] As much as I like the Ginyu Force, the way Goku handled them was very bad due to recursion, even if the way he takes down Recoome is hilarious and awesome.

edited 19th Apr '18 6:15:05 PM by Saiga


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