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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#83101: Apr 17th 2018 at 1:36:03 AM

I want to say Master Roshi. He has the endurance to get past his techniques and could probably tank one of his Kamehameha waves.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#83102: Apr 17th 2018 at 1:45:21 AM

I'd be more interested in how Freddy Krueger would adapt to the world of Dragon Ball. We've never seen someone who can attack them in their dreams.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#83104: Apr 17th 2018 at 7:53:11 AM

So, what are the most evenly matched fights in the DB series?

The ones I can think of are Goku vs Jackie Chun, Goku vs Tenshinhan/Tien, and 17 vs Piccolo.

Some fights that seem equal but aren't are:

Goku vs Piccolo Jr. Goku outsmarts him numerous times during their fight, using the latters own tricks against him, and I think he did have the slightly higher power level if their numbers during Raditz's arrival are anything to go on.

Goku vs Majin Vegeta: as we later find out, Goku could have won that fight in seconds with SSJ 3, but purposely didn't use it (and not even for the logical reason of it using too much energy either, but for the far less interesting reason of wanting to satisfy Vegeta).

I think that's it. DB doesn't really do those kinds of fights, as they tend to almost always be really one sided.

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#83105: Apr 17th 2018 at 7:57:45 AM

Bear in mind that Goku got a bullshit zenkai boost after the tournament fight and Piccolo did not

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#83106: Apr 17th 2018 at 7:59:26 AM

I'd say Goku v.s. King Piccolo is closer than Goku v.s. Tien.

Also Goku v.s. Piccolo Jr. had Goku with a few disadvantages that Piccolo did not have - notably, Goku was trying not to kill him or Kami and was still playing by tourney rules unlike Piccolo.

edited 17th Apr '18 8:00:39 AM by Sigilbreaker26

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#83107: Apr 17th 2018 at 8:02:26 AM

I think I read that Goku's power level during the King Piccolo fight (or Tao Pai Pai) was equal to that of his opponent. It didn't look that way, but both Tao and Piccolo probably aren't used to not instantly crushing their enemy, so they were thrown off and lost their shit pretty quickly.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#83108: Apr 17th 2018 at 8:07:39 AM

....wait, what?

Goku literally cannot have the same power level as Taopaipai in their rematch. He's clearly stronger than him. At one point he even lets TPP beat the shit out of him without fighting back just to show how much stronger he is. It's one of the biggest curb stomps in the whole of DB.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#83110: Apr 17th 2018 at 8:29:04 AM

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Yeah, that's true. I do need to look up that tidbit again (if I can even find it).

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Not really. That fight traded the advantage ball from one stomp (Goku winning) to another (19 winning due to Goku's heart disease).

Edit: checked the DB Wiki. They have a list of Power Levels from various sources, and according to Daizenshuu 7, both Goku and King Piccolo had a power level of 260.

Also, when he fought Tien at the 22nd Budokai, both of them had a power level of 180, so it looks like I called that fight right as well.

edited 17th Apr '18 8:32:14 AM by HandsomeRob

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#83111: Apr 17th 2018 at 9:03:49 AM

One thing I love about Super is the abundance of even, back-and-forth fights, which I find much more entertaining than any curbstomp.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#83112: Apr 17th 2018 at 11:26:31 AM

@17 vs Piccolo:

I've often wondered if 17 could have taken the Light Grenade. Piccolo seemed to be holding onto it for a desperate moment in the fight, but by the time he rolled it out he was facing an opponent that could tank it easy.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#83113: Apr 17th 2018 at 11:31:00 AM

That's a good point. Then again, it seemed to take some time to charge, and Cell only didn't try to avoid it because he knew it would do nothing.

In contrast, I think 17 would have either tried to attack him before he could get it off, or just dodged

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#83114: Apr 17th 2018 at 11:59:14 AM

Super had the issue of letting the mood determine the fight, instead of the fight determine the mood.

This happened a bunch during the Jiren fight where it seems like he's being pressured despite us knowing very clearly there's no reason for him to be, and then all of a sudden he's winning (like he should be from the beginning) even though he doesn't actually seem to be trying harder.

edited 17th Apr '18 12:01:52 PM by LSBK

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#83115: Apr 17th 2018 at 1:03:12 PM

Super had the issue of letting the mood determine the fight, instead of the fight determine the mood.

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That's a very accurate and pithy way to put it.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#83116: Apr 17th 2018 at 1:27:48 PM

You should be listening to All Systems Goku. It's really fun.

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#83117: Apr 17th 2018 at 1:29:38 PM

Update on Chris Ayres (dub Freeza).

He's doing about as well as someone with his condition can be (he's even improved slightly), and is now awaiting a pair of lungs to be donated so the surgery can proceed.

Obviously that's kind of random as to if and when some lungs become available, so no end date in sight just yet.

edited 17th Apr '18 1:43:07 PM by DarkHunter

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#83118: Apr 17th 2018 at 1:37:37 PM

I thought he did the surgery.

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#83119: Apr 17th 2018 at 1:42:13 PM

I was under that impression too.

I suppose maybe he did a surgery, but it wasn't the big one.

edited 17th Apr '18 1:42:38 PM by DarkHunter

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#83120: Apr 17th 2018 at 1:43:47 PM

That would be impressive if he himself did the surgery.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#83121: Apr 17th 2018 at 3:50:42 PM

IIRC he had oral surgery or something like that; lung transplants are quite of a bigger deal.

No seriously, chest surgery is about the most invasive thing you can end up needing, and recovering from it takes its time (picture having to hold shut your ribcage if you have to sneeze, or when getting up from bed, or when laying down on a bed...); here is hoping things go as well as then can be.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#83122: Apr 17th 2018 at 3:56:08 PM

Damn. I can't really imagine that at all. I hope his luck is good.

So I just considered something. Should we put Toriyama down as a Trolling Creator considering his Contrarian nature and love of subverting expectations?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#83123: Apr 17th 2018 at 4:46:50 PM

I'd argue he doesn't subvert expectations all that much, but even if he did that alone wouldn't make him a trolling creator. He doesn't egg on his fans anywhere near enough for that.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#83124: Apr 17th 2018 at 4:55:25 PM

Toriyama subverting anything is more of a meme than a fact of his writing.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#83125: Apr 17th 2018 at 4:58:20 PM

I don't think it's a meme. Just look at all the times that the smaller fighter is more powerful. Heck, the entire first half of the run is predicated on that concept.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

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