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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#83051: Apr 15th 2018 at 3:24:15 PM

Super had them as "creator gods" I believe, and in order for their to be creation they also need destruction as balance. Or whatever. So I suppose that's the justification for why they don't normally intervene in things: their position is predicated on things being destroyed anyway.

edited 15th Apr '18 3:27:06 PM by LSBK

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#83052: Apr 15th 2018 at 3:28:24 PM

One suggestion I've heard for future DB content is for Beerus to sort of "employ" Frieza to do his job for him, destroying things that need to be destroyed for the sake of balance. That way Beerus can be lazy and Frieza can blow stuff up without causing real lasting harm.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#83053: Apr 15th 2018 at 3:48:11 PM

Ya know after watching numerous clips, randomness has been wondering why this dub wasn't called the speedy dub instead of big green.

Or even just as a 2nd nickname, the malaysian dub never seemed very speedy.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#83054: Apr 15th 2018 at 4:37:08 PM

[up]This seems to happen in bad dubs a lot. Is Japanese just a really compact language?

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#83055: Apr 15th 2018 at 4:41:00 PM

I've heard that it's a highly contextual language so a lot of stuff like object nouns just get left out to be inferred

There's also stuff like having to translate "You! (except super rude)"

edited 15th Apr '18 4:41:41 PM by Bocaj

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#83056: Apr 15th 2018 at 5:04:48 PM

Add in that it's common in Japanese to leave large parts of a sentence unsaid because it's obvious from context what you're talking about, especially in informal speech.

Example: let's say in English you wanted to say: "Damn, that guy has a huge nose!"

In Japanese, all they'd probably say is "Big!", while looking at the guy's nose.

edited 15th Apr '18 5:06:33 PM by DarkHunter

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#83057: Apr 15th 2018 at 5:40:42 PM

[up] More or less. There are words in Japanese that essentially translate to "that" but one refers to an object close to (meaning either physically close or a concept very familiar to) the speaker but far away from the listener, the opposite, close to both, and far away from both. Combine that (which admittedly doesn't come up too often) with the fact that Japanese often drops the subject if it's obvious and can be a rather symbolic language and you get a language that can be really tricky to translate.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#83058: Apr 15th 2018 at 5:46:24 PM

[up]Granted, it's not like English is an unambiguous language or anything. It's hard for me to tell if either of the languages is more ambiguous than the other, though Japanese's lack of plurals or articles might give it a slight edge in that regard.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#83059: Apr 15th 2018 at 5:49:23 PM

This is all relative anyway. Things that might be difficult to translate in from Japanese to English would be much easier in Japanese to Korean, for example, because the languages are structured much more similarly.

Edit: Page-topper.

edited 15th Apr '18 5:49:35 PM by LSBK

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#83060: Apr 15th 2018 at 6:52:15 PM

Super had them as "creator gods" I believe, and in order for their to be creation they also need destruction as balance.

I don't remember Super ever making that explicit, but I'll admit I might have missed it - but that's kind of the problem. Even with an arc about a Supreme Kai, there isn't much showing of what they're actually supposed to do: just observe things (something I'm pretty sure we have a trope for) and occasionally screw the pooch. Zamasu's irritation at getting no answers when he asks "how are we supposed to improve things" is kind of apt.

It doesn't help that Shin is kind of awful at his job, as is Beerus, and the two explicitly screwed up Universe 7 to the point where they're the second worst in the cosmos.

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#83061: Apr 15th 2018 at 6:59:42 PM

I maintain that that isn't really Shin's fault: he was incredibly under-prepared for the mantle of Supreme Kai, and just got the job by virtue of being the last one standing.

Beerus has no excuse, however.

vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
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#83062: Apr 15th 2018 at 8:05:10 PM

Beerus is a lazy shit and he knows it and who’s gonna be able to call him out except for Whis

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#83063: Apr 15th 2018 at 8:06:11 PM

He actually is terrible at his job.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#83064: Apr 15th 2018 at 8:06:56 PM

shin was trained wrong, as a joke

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#83065: Apr 15th 2018 at 8:15:24 PM

Shin wasn't trained at all. All the guys who were supposed to do it got themselves killed, because a certain Cat Asshole (he's a Catsshole!) was sleeping instead.

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#83066: Apr 15th 2018 at 8:18:06 PM

You know, Goku threatening Shin in the Buu Saga is even darker than it already was once you know that Goku could've killed Beerus, too.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#83067: Apr 15th 2018 at 8:34:35 PM

.............. He should have killed him.

edited 15th Apr '18 8:34:49 PM by slimcoder

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#83068: Apr 15th 2018 at 8:43:29 PM

Watching that moment it is interesting that even Vegeta in his Majin state was taken by surprise by Goku threatening to blast the Supreme Kai.

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Martin55575 Since: Feb, 2018
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#83070: Apr 15th 2018 at 9:46:34 PM

Is there a bigger Woobie in the series than Shin? He watches all his friends get massacred, leaving him to literally run the universe, gets leapfrogged in power by mere mortals without even noticing, fails to stop the creature that killed his friends from returning, gets tricked into a forced fusion by his creepy-ass ancestor...

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#83071: Apr 15th 2018 at 9:48:04 PM

Gowasu maybe.

"Zamasu..."

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#83072: Apr 15th 2018 at 9:55:48 PM

[up]Gowasu, at least, has GodTube to blow off some steam as a beloved content creator.

Shin couldn't even keep up his imposing theatrics long after the World Martial Arts Tournament ended. But at least he has Beerus, right?

edited 15th Apr '18 9:58:45 PM by XMenMutant22

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#83073: Apr 15th 2018 at 9:59:12 PM

And speaking of the Tournament, I find it interesting that after sensing Shin is stronger than him, Piccolo initially assumes he's the Grand Kai, one rank down, before Kibito corrects him. Which implies that a) Piccolo has knowledge of the divine pecking order for some reason, and b) he had reason to believe that not just Supreme but Grand as well would be stronger than him.

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#83074: Apr 15th 2018 at 10:02:27 PM

It bears mentioning that Piccolo did not know there was a level above Grand Kai, he merely speculated that there might be.

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#83075: Apr 15th 2018 at 10:29:35 PM

[up][up]Half of Piccolo used to be the Kami of Earth. I assumed that's where he learned about the hierarchy of Kais.


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