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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#82876: Apr 3rd 2018 at 7:02:51 PM

Technically Jotaro bullshitted his way out of it via having the exact same power (which he only discovered during that battle, and it still took him a while to develop it).

So it wasn't so much more stand power so much as the right stand power.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#82877: Apr 3rd 2018 at 7:07:29 PM

Jotaro's bullshit was massive though.

It balances out I'd say.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#82878: Apr 3rd 2018 at 7:22:40 PM

There are pros and cons to both Hit and DIO's powers. DIO only got bullshitted by one person, as opposed to Hit who could theoretically get bullshitted by many many people. On the other hand, Hit was able to counter bullshit against Goku (but not Jiren unfortunately), so getting bullshitted is not necessarily as bad for him as it was for DIO.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#82879: Apr 3rd 2018 at 9:04:57 PM

Just speaking strictly in terms of powers, Hit also has a lot more versatility with what he can do with the time after he's skipped it, while DIO just has a bog-standard Stand with crazy stats and the ability to stop time.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#82880: Apr 3rd 2018 at 9:32:32 PM

Personally, I hated the "same type of Stand" plot twist.

Also, what details do we have about the movie?

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#82881: Apr 3rd 2018 at 9:36:07 PM

We know it'll be exploring the history of the Saiyans and Freeza. We know the main villain is a Saiyan wearing Freeza Soldier armor with a fur coat tied around his waist and a green aura. We know that it's set after the Tournament of Power.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#82882: Apr 3rd 2018 at 9:41:47 PM

We also know Goku will fight him.

Since Toriyama is writing it, we can assuming Goku will fail to win the fight against him as well.

edited 3rd Apr '18 9:41:58 PM by HandsomeRob

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82883: Apr 3rd 2018 at 9:42:39 PM

Has it been outright confirmed that the guy is a Saiyan or is it just a really obvious assumption?

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#82884: Apr 3rd 2018 at 9:43:33 PM

Goku usually wins movie fights

Through some contrivance or other.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82885: Apr 3rd 2018 at 9:45:14 PM

[up] You do know Battle of Gods right?

He may not win if its canon & this movie is canon.

..... Oh wait usually.

edited 3rd Apr '18 9:45:30 PM by slimcoder

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#82886: Apr 3rd 2018 at 9:45:43 PM

[up][up][up]The teaser was originally revealed at an event, and yes, they did mention that he's a Saiyan. They also called specific attention to his green aura, so it is important.

edited 3rd Apr '18 9:46:07 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#82887: Apr 3rd 2018 at 9:46:35 PM

I'm really good at hedging my baseless statements like that

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#82888: Apr 3rd 2018 at 10:08:18 PM

You do well at that.

Very good.

edited 3rd Apr '18 10:08:34 PM by randomness4

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82889: Apr 3rd 2018 at 10:12:10 PM

If there's anything that I excel at its possibly that

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#82890: Apr 3rd 2018 at 10:32:34 PM

You do well, hahaha. You do well.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#82891: Apr 4th 2018 at 1:00:29 PM

So, got any predictions on how Movie 20's going to go? I'm guessing something like this:

Freeza is rebuilding his empire, and a Saiyan somewhere hears about it and decides to confront him. Freeza goes Golden and fights the new Saiyan, who reveals power surpassing Golden, beating Freeza. Freeza escapes to Earth, mentioning where he's going while doing so. The Saiyan remembers that some Saiyans live on Earth, and he figures out that the Saiyans on Earth brought Freeza back and deduces that they must have gone back to being evil.

Freeza arrives on Earth and tells Goku about the new Saiyan. Cue huge flashback to Yamoshi that reveals that the new Saiyan is Yamoshi's descendant.

The Saiyan gets to Earth and fights the Saiyans who live there to get at Freeza. SSBE Vegeta and SSB KK Goku are beaten, and Goku goes into UI. UI Goku is strong enough to hurt the Saiyan, but he manages to outlast Goku, albeit injured. Goku and Freeza decide to fuse and fight the Saiyan. Goreeza beats the Saiyan while giving a speech about how he needs to let go of the past.

edited 4th Apr '18 1:01:56 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#82892: Apr 4th 2018 at 1:08:47 PM

You kinda lost me at that last bit.

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#82894: Apr 4th 2018 at 2:34:02 PM

Why would Goku fuse with Frieza? Heck, why would Goku fuse with anyone? It would be cheating as well as as a blow to his pride since he has to fuse his rival and he couldn't defeat anyone with his own power. Goku is very prideful although he will swallow his pride if it meant protecting his loved ones.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82895: Apr 4th 2018 at 2:36:28 PM

It's actually Vegeta who has the problem with Fusion.

Goku has zero issues about it cause he doesn't give flying a fuck about pride.

edited 4th Apr '18 2:48:27 PM by slimcoder

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#82896: Apr 4th 2018 at 2:42:48 PM

Why would...you even say that about Kakarotto?

He's literally never any hesitation towards fusion...

None whatsoever...

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#82897: Apr 4th 2018 at 3:02:47 PM

I can't buy that theory, because I can recall only one instance of a fused character winning a fight, and that was Gogeta vs. Janemba. Fusions have a terrible track record.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82898: Apr 4th 2018 at 3:05:27 PM

I mean, Vegetto only didn't win against Buu because he was intentionally goading Buu to absorb him to rescue the others. Then Vegeta broke his earring to be a dick. Then they just straight up turned it down because they were like "Well, we have a chance to beat him without fusing now, so we aren't going to."

Also, Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks could have won against Buu if he didn't spend so much time fucking around that Goten and Trunks defused.

edited 4th Apr '18 3:09:24 PM by LSBK

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#82899: Apr 4th 2018 at 3:06:58 PM

[up][up][up] I guess.

[up] Vegito did have a good showing against Buu.

edited 4th Apr '18 3:07:13 PM by GAP

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#82900: Apr 4th 2018 at 3:07:03 PM

Basically, the plot's always stopped fusions from winning.


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