In a straight fight, I agree he gets stomped.
The Sharingan and it's numerous abilities (illusions in particular) are something of an issue though.
I know the really good illusions fool all the senses (sight, hearing, touch, smell, and I suppose even taste) but can it bypass ki sensing? We don't know, since there's never been any illusionists in DB.
More to the point, there's also the issue of if he can get it off in time. We all know how fast these guys can be. They might just blitz him and take him out before he even gets a chance to try.
One Strip! One Strip!If the other guy just decides to fight off the bat Madara dies. I really don't think he's fast enough to keep up. Though I don't think they would decide to attack in response to a genjutsu purely because they've never had the slightest bit of experience with something like that.
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"I don't know. I can see Vegeta just blasting the crap out of him rather than waste time, though only if he's in a foul enough mood.
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"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-MaeThat’s it. I’m sick of all this “Masterwork Bastard Sword” bullshit that’s going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that. I should know what I’m talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that’s about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana. Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind. Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I’m pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash. Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That’s right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected. So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas: (One-Handed Exotic Weapon) 1d12 Damage 19-20 x4 Crit +2 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork (Two-Handed Exotic Weapon) 2d10 Damage 17-20 x4 Crit +5 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don’t you think? tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.That gives me an idea...
edited 3rd Apr '18 2:44:21 PM by LordVatek
This song needs more love.So, what are you guy's favourite abilities not connected to Ki?
I rather like Telekinesis myself, since it seems pretty useful if not perfect.
It let General Blue get the upper hand on Goku quite a few times, is the only thing Chiaotzu brings to the table, and then there's Guldo, who might be the strongest one in the franchise.
Blue and Chiaotzu could botch things if they lost focus (Chiaotzu in particular had to keep his hands up), but Guldo was so strong he was able to solidly hold two fighters who were both much stronger than him, with them being completely incapable of defending themselves. It's one of the few abilities where higher power level isn't the end all and be all deciding factor.
It's a shame Toriyama doesn't really seem to know what to do with characters who have that ability. Blue probably came off the best, lasting quite a few chapters, and ultimately Goku never defeats his telekinesis, and would probably still have had to deal with him if not for Tao Pai Pai just killing him off in a second.
Also:
You know, Masako is totally right: we've never actually seen the process of pregnancy in DB before. It's kinda interesting.
One Strip! One Strip!Well.. my signiature indicates some of my thoughts on the matter... but to elaborate:
Telekenisis is a terrible power because it's either completely broken or rubbish and barely useful. Dragonball manages to do both - Goku never actually beats Blue, a mouse scares him off (because gay stereotypes) and Taopaipai one shots him later. Krillin has no counter to Chaotzu's TK except to trick him into counting with his hands. There is absolutely no counter to telekenisis in the hands - sorry, in the brains- of someone who is not a total moron except to be arbitrarily more powerful until it doesn't work. Which is the writing equivalent of saying "sorry, sorry, I fucked up, forget that was a thing" - and we don't even know how much more powerful you have to be for it to not work.
So yeah, that's why it hasn't turned up again.
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"Fair enough. Though I was talking about which ones you like, not why another one is a problem.
You're not wrong though. I suppose that is why Toiryama got rid of it.
One Strip! One Strip!

If Cell just decided to shoot him, then yeah. Sure. In fact, if it came down to a physical confrontation, then yeah, sure. That's the same for basically every other shonen series against Dragonball. But if Madara used a genjutsu right off the bat, he would probably win. Again, that's the same for basically every other shonen series VS Dragonball.
I honestly don't think Madara could take Nappa in pure strength terms.
edited 3rd Apr '18 2:08:54 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"