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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#82726: Apr 2nd 2018 at 4:13:14 PM

I actually kind of liked Jiren towards the end with his facial expressions and his whole "you can't be this strong or else I've done all this for nothing" schtick.

If they had just had him slowly come to this realization starting from the beginning and give him that level emotion he would have been perfectly fine.

This song needs more love.
Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#82727: Apr 2nd 2018 at 4:50:46 PM

Who would have thought that, in order to make a character interesting, you just have to give them a personality?

Seriously, in those final two episodes, where Jiren finally starts emoting, he was actually kind of a cool antagonist. Like, maybe still not quite proper for an arc villain, but serviceable. Shame it took so long for him to get there.

edited 2nd Apr '18 4:51:26 PM by Kayeka

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82728: Apr 2nd 2018 at 4:55:37 PM

I agree as I too loved those emotive expressions he did in the final episode.

That arrogant smirk before the final battle & that grimacing smile through his teeth after crashing into Goku & Frieza. Reminds me that I still love his character design.

Its just too little, too late.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#82729: Apr 2nd 2018 at 5:06:15 PM

I never saw the appeal of his design, honestly.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#82730: Apr 2nd 2018 at 5:14:18 PM

Buff Grey Alien...

Pretty basic...

Not bad though...

edited 2nd Apr '18 5:14:41 PM by randomness4

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BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
Time Stranger
#82731: Apr 2nd 2018 at 5:15:41 PM

[up] [up]You see that like that isn't a popular opinion.

edited 2nd Apr '18 5:16:00 PM by BigBlackBangBro

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82732: Apr 2nd 2018 at 5:16:33 PM

Yeah its just nicely simple.

Buff grey alien goes well with red & black leotard.

Nothing wrong with the basics.

edited 2nd Apr '18 5:16:55 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#82733: Apr 2nd 2018 at 5:19:08 PM

His musculature gives him a distinctive sihillouette.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#82734: Apr 2nd 2018 at 5:19:29 PM

Buff, Fat, and Skinny.

It's the perfect trio.

If only team ups exist.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#82735: Apr 2nd 2018 at 6:39:20 PM

It's still weird we never found out what Jiren's wish would have been. I doubt it would have been interesting, because Jiren himself wasn't interesting except for maybe a little at the very end, but still. It feels a bit like a loose thread.

I'm guessing it was just to bring all his loved ones back to life, given how the scene was framed.

Jiren: Even I have a wish I want granted.

Belmod: Let me tell you about Jiren's tragic backstory.

*afterwards*

17: So that's your wish. You're a pretty human guy after all.

I figure it was just some poor wording that made it confusing and it'll be less ambiguous in the dub.

edited 2nd Apr '18 6:41:46 PM by Moth13

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#82736: Apr 2nd 2018 at 7:08:58 PM

It's kind of funny. If that is Jiren's wish in the manga, fighting to bring his family back is the one thing he's willing to kill for, and Zen-Oh was going to erase everything if he didn't wish to bring back the erased universes. Of all the characters who would have made that wish, Jiren might not be among them, since he already had a very clear vision of what he wanted his wish to be.

U7 should just let him use their Dragon Balls, the man's clearly traumatized by his loss,

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82737: Apr 2nd 2018 at 7:10:12 PM

That's the obvious wish, but I don't think that meshes well with Jiren not caring about anyone anymore and having to "relearn" to do so, which seemed to be what they were going for with his defeat.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#82738: Apr 2nd 2018 at 7:16:11 PM

Maybe it just means he doesn't care for anyone else...other than his family.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#82740: Apr 2nd 2018 at 8:32:07 PM

That's right! They're dead again! Suck it!

One Strip! One Strip!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82741: Apr 2nd 2018 at 8:34:47 PM

Get rekt Batjiren

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#82742: Apr 2nd 2018 at 8:35:45 PM

How cruel...

Maybe they did die again...

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#82743: Apr 2nd 2018 at 8:37:19 PM

Batman's face in that second panel cracks me up.

But anyway, count me in the "It doesn't make his previous showings retroactively less bland, but Jiren was actually a pretty good character and antagonist in the final two episodes" camp. I did like his grimace of pain turning into big dumb grin after getting gut-checked by Goku and Frisbee.

edited 2nd Apr '18 8:37:55 PM by Anomalocaris20

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#82744: Apr 2nd 2018 at 8:40:17 PM

What...he's releasing his inner Kid Boo there, jeesh.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#82745: Apr 2nd 2018 at 9:56:24 PM

I also really enjoyed seeing Jiren go through a whole character arc in one and a half episodes. It would've been good to stretch it out longer over more of the climax, but him going from "trust is bullshit and I'm stronger than you, so that proves my point" to "trust is bullshit and I'll prove it" to "maybe this trust thing isn't so bad after all since you beat me" to "alright Toppo, I'll take your trust and see if it's all it's cracked up to be" is a solid and well-done character arc.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82746: Apr 2nd 2018 at 9:58:52 PM

[up] When you put it like that, it makes the whole thing sound way worse & hard to take seriously.

Like fucking breakneck speed in the last episode, I'm surprised Jiren did snap his neck from all that development piled all at once.

edited 2nd Apr '18 10:02:52 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#82747: Apr 2nd 2018 at 10:02:07 PM

Did you not see how meaty his neck is...?

No pace in the world is fast enough to break that thickness.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82748: Apr 2nd 2018 at 10:03:23 PM

That really doesn't sound particularly solid or well-built, especially when you realize that for the character, it all happened in the span of a couple of minutes, at most.

Honestly thinking of it in that context just makes it much worse. Deeply held beliefs that have been fostered and grown for years don't even begin to change that quickly.

edited 2nd Apr '18 10:03:57 PM by LSBK

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#82749: Apr 2nd 2018 at 10:03:48 PM

Eh, it was a bit quick, but 30 minutes isn't an unreasonable amount of screentime to have a character arc, especially since Jiren's idea was that he was the strongest specifically because he didn't trust anyone, so when evidence to the contrary punched him in the face, his worldview started crumbling fast.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#82750: Apr 2nd 2018 at 10:05:47 PM

He didn't have any time to steel his ideals...or think about the fact that his worldview was shattered.

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