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Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#82701: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:10:49 PM

And it ends Toriko ready to hunt a space snake so big that it can swallow a sun whole, in an expanded universe where there are planet sized dango skewers and elephants that are the size of stars, that when in a massive herd, can create an entire galaxy.

The escalation is why I love it, and why I prefer it over DBZ’s scaling, becasue mitsutoshi can actually show what happens as opposed to character statements.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82702: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:12:16 PM

I think we're all aware of your tastes by now.

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#82703: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:15:47 PM

And I don’t think being passive aggressive is needed.

Especially since I just contributing to the Toriko discussio going on.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82704: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:17:00 PM

It's not being passive aggressive, I didn't say it was a bad thing. It's just not something everyone is into.

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#82705: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:17:55 PM

You know, this conversation may have convinced me to go back to reading Toriko, because that all sounds like some amazingly ludicrous bullshit.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#82706: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:20:01 PM

Considering Toriko has not been brought up here - well, maybe it has been before, but not since I can remember - saying "we're all aware" is a bit snippy.

Like, if I had said something about the humans being shafted and you responded with that you'd be right but it's hardly a topic that's been touched on much.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82707: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:22:43 PM

Even without bringing up Toriko, demongodofchaos2's love for crazy power escalation and ginormious feats is still something I think is relatively easy to pick up on. They've stated that Jiren is their favorite antagonist in the series, after all.

But either way, sorry for the offense. It wasn't actually a necessary comment.

edited 2nd Apr '18 1:23:33 PM by LSBK

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#82708: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:35:55 PM

Dragon Ball rarely states what characters are capable of doing...

Even when characters are boasting, they don't bother...

This Cell example is a mighty fine exception though...

Though the discussion was about the androids...

edited 2nd Apr '18 1:37:01 PM by randomness4

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#82709: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:37:57 PM

Jiren's power escalation & feats suck though. Its all meaningless & emotionless like having sex with a Goddamn prostitute.

Worst DB villain ever.

Poor Toriko though, it never did achieve the level of fame its contemporaries did. Though Oda's claim of Mitsutoshi (Toriko's mangeka) being his rival does become darkly humurous in hindsight.

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Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#82710: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:40:01 PM

[up] no offense, you acting unironically like Comic Book guy made me face palm a bit.

But I can agree to disagree about jiren with you.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#82711: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:41:37 PM

I mean, Jiren being the single worst DB arc villain is hardly an uncommon opinion - me and a lot of other commenters here take that opinion, as well as other places I've seen.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#82712: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:42:26 PM

I guess he's the most negative because he's not actually a villain.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#82713: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:42:46 PM

Yeah I wouldn't be quoting Comic Book Guy if Jiren was actually good.

If he was actually a satisfying or even likable antagonist I wouldn't be so annoyed by his existence.

[up] Well he is still a jerk.

edited 2nd Apr '18 1:43:17 PM by slimcoder

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82714: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:42:57 PM

Like I said, Toriko was fun, and it was cool seeing the feats and stuff. I certainly think it was handled better than Jiren, at least. I could go over my issues with it, but this isn't the Toriko thread, and I don't want it to seem like I'm badmouthing something in a different thread.

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#82715: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:44:04 PM

[up][up] being annoyed by the existence of a fictional character is honestly petty, but that’s just me.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#82716: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:45:25 PM

If you like a series, and you don't like a character, and they stick around for a very long time, I'd say getting annoyed would be pretty reasonable.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82717: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:46:39 PM

It's still weird we never found out what Jiren's wish would have been. I doubt it would have been interesting, because Jiren himself wasn't interesting except for maybe a little at the very end, but still. It feels a bit like a loose thread.

edited 2nd Apr '18 1:49:32 PM by LSBK

Palkia62 Since: Feb, 2018
#82718: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:47:49 PM

[up] Maybe it was to revive his teacher or parents

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#82719: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:48:30 PM

Maybe he never intended to be the last one standing...

Like, he had some small thread of hope that his team wouldn't need him...

And he couldn't possibly make a wish as he was fighting...

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#82720: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:48:44 PM

I hate wasted potential.

They had many, many opportunities to do something, anything interesting with Jiren but they chose to squander it all in end, leaving us with the most half-baked antagonist since sliced bread.

[up][up][up] Such as not telling his wish despite the hype it got.

edited 2nd Apr '18 1:48:56 PM by slimcoder

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#82721: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:49:29 PM

I suspect it would be something not related to reviving the other universes...

which would mean Jiren's victory could have damned all of existance.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#82722: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:50:59 PM

Sliced bread as an antagonist...?

Interesting enough.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#82723: Apr 2nd 2018 at 1:51:28 PM

I'm still waiting for how the manga handles Jiren's character - It's clear there's never going to be a satisfying answer for his power level no matter what medium. Anime Jiren is just dull. Jineric, if you will.

edited 2nd Apr '18 2:13:39 PM by VeryMelon

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#82724: Apr 2nd 2018 at 2:10:58 PM

[up] Ha, that's a good one. [tup] [lol]

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#82725: Apr 2nd 2018 at 2:32:25 PM

The best Jiren moment was him punching the air so hard that it sent Maji Kayo flying out of the arena and created a shockwave. It reminded me of similar scenes from Yu Yu Hakusho and One Punch Man where the main characters did similar feats.

I feel like Jiren being so strong that his strength results in comical moments like that in contrast to his stern demeanor would have been a fun way to use him early on while we have little reason to care about him.


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