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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82651: Apr 1st 2018 at 4:50:04 PM

I'm not talking about higher numbers, I'm talking about the fact that it is firmly established that these people, who are stronger than Frieza, are nothing to do the Androids. That we don't see the Androids blow up a planet doesn't change that.

Defeating two Super Saiyans, Trunks and Vegeta, both of whom are stronger than Frieza, and having Goku say he can't beat them should remove doubt better than any "feat" could. It's very simple, or should be, anyway.

edited 1st Apr '18 4:53:49 PM by LSBK

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#82652: Apr 1st 2018 at 4:54:03 PM

If they don't do anything more impressive than people from several arcs ago, or even less impressive things, but are said to be stronger than everyone else anyway, then that's relying on higher numbers to sell a threat.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82653: Apr 1st 2018 at 4:55:53 PM

...No it isn't. It's expecting the obvious substance to take precedence over flash. Normally that would be considered respectful of the audience, but for some reason here it isn't.

What, should they randomly blow up Mars or something to look "impressive"? It's like complaining "We didn't see Cell blow away the Solar System so he couldn't really do it." It's not actually backed up by anything, it's just skepticism for skepticism's sake at that point.

edited 1st Apr '18 5:00:42 PM by LSBK

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#82654: Apr 1st 2018 at 5:01:42 PM

I don't think anyone's denying that the Androids are superior to Frieza in close combat and probably durability as well. If they're ahead in destructive potential too, though, they absolutely didn't show it, 16 especially.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#82655: Apr 1st 2018 at 5:04:42 PM

No one is saying that the Androids are secretly weaker than Nappa or something, just that the characters don't look more impressive than the tiers below them because they do the exact same things as the weaker characters but we're told they're stronger. And sometimes they don't even do that. It leads to a lot of diminishing returns when it comes to selling threats. Telling people they should accept it because the show tells you isn't the same thing as feeling a new level of strength.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82656: Apr 1st 2018 at 5:05:03 PM

[up][up] and [up]It's not like Dragon Ball has ever been big on things like that. Character's show they're stronger than other characters by beating up other characters, not escalating series of feats.

It was a long time before anyone did anything comparable to Roshi blowing up the moon, but that didn't change that Goku, Tao Paipai, Tien, Popo, Kami, and Piccolo were all much stronger than him.

Picking the Androids being stronger than Frieza as somehow egregious just seems very arbitrary. The series has always been that way.

edited 1st Apr '18 5:09:21 PM by LSBK

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#82657: Apr 1st 2018 at 5:10:45 PM

I'm not saying they aren't stronger. I'm saying I totally get why people feel they don't seem stronger. It's a sort of narrative optical illusion, you might say.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82658: Apr 1st 2018 at 5:14:00 PM

Well, I don't, and I don't think things like this are really about "feeling". I can understand disliking that they're stronger, but that's different from trying to argue they aren't stronger, when everything in the story makes it clear that they are.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#82659: Apr 1st 2018 at 5:17:51 PM

I'll sum it up this way then: in my opinion the Android Saga has some Show, Don't Tell issues with respect to certain characters' abilities. That make sense?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82660: Apr 1st 2018 at 5:18:44 PM

I mean, I'll have to disagree with that, but I guess I understand what you mean.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#82661: Apr 1st 2018 at 5:38:15 PM

Once again, Freeza's absurd power is to blame for the inconsistent feeling of what happened next.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#82662: Apr 1st 2018 at 5:44:41 PM

Do you think Cell would have been stronger if he could absorb the Androids now?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82663: Apr 1st 2018 at 5:48:33 PM

Probably.

Can Perfect Cell still absorb people?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#82664: Apr 1st 2018 at 5:49:41 PM

He can according to GT...

But GT is too positive to use for examples...

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#82665: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:04:19 PM

Nah, i meant if Imperfect Cell was able to absorb them now.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#82666: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:10:49 PM

Cell does say in Fighter Z that he no longer can absorb the Androids.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82667: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:25:54 PM

Planet busting tier was a mistake

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#82668: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:32:45 PM

Beams were a mistake.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82670: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:44:30 PM

Adventures were a mistake.

The whole series should've been about Goku bumbling around the forest as a feral child.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82671: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:55:16 PM

Sexualizing a teenager definitely was a mistake

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#82672: Apr 1st 2018 at 6:56:40 PM

Anime was a mistake.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#82673: Apr 1st 2018 at 7:06:32 PM

Mistakes were a mistake.

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#82674: Apr 1st 2018 at 7:08:45 PM

Leaving the primordial oceans to live on land was a mistake.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#82675: Apr 1st 2018 at 7:09:25 PM

@ LSBK: Cell started sucking up more humans after Piccolo beat him. Or maybe he wanted to make sure that the androids couldn't stop him even if they teamed up, which is why he ate people in the present. Maybe he could've lost some strength after regressing to his larval state for four years.

It's interesting to think that Cell has only really been alive for two years. He spent over twenty years in a tube, and four of the six years outside of it gathering energy underground. Hmmm...I wonder when Cell exactly became self-aware. I'm pretty sure the embryo Cell we see in the present was mindless, but I'm wondering when Cell could think and feel for himself.


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