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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#82626: Apr 1st 2018 at 10:48:26 AM

In hindsight, the Androids don't really have any big signature beam attacks, do they?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#82627: Apr 1st 2018 at 10:59:33 AM

It required them to actually do much...but no.

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#82628: Apr 1st 2018 at 11:19:36 AM

You would be surprised at the amount of people that (unironically) believe Goku can't bust a planet because we've never seen him do it. They don't care about things like context or dialogue.

Pretty terrible logic all around.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#82629: Apr 1st 2018 at 11:21:39 AM

17 and 18 have the Accel Dance (the move they pulled on Future Gohan in History of Trunks). That's a ki attack manuever.

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#82630: Apr 1st 2018 at 11:23:59 AM

They got written out as main antagonists almost immediately

That's probably why

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#82631: Apr 1st 2018 at 11:55:43 AM

But 17 still fought Piccoro, he didn't show off anything but a BP Barrier.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#82632: Apr 1st 2018 at 11:58:43 AM

Yeah, it says a lot when the only beam attacks 17 and 18 ever got in the Tenkaichi games is stuff aped from other characters (18 getting Destructo Disc) or generic shit (17's ult before Tenkaichi 3 was fucking FULL POWER ENERGY WAVE)

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#82633: Apr 1st 2018 at 12:01:23 PM

The generic ki blasts and attacks in the Tenkaiichi games never fail to get a laugh out of me.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#82634: Apr 1st 2018 at 12:02:42 PM

Their only beam attack were the ones they used together...both in the Trunks special.

At least 18 using disc attack was in the anime...

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#82635: Apr 1st 2018 at 12:03:45 PM

It's the names for them that crack me up, especially when you give characters different names for what's essentially the same attack.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#82636: Apr 1st 2018 at 12:06:27 PM

They're usually the same...if the characters aren't important.

But then an important character needs one extra move and apparently the attack needs a different name.

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Palkia62 Since: Feb, 2018
#82637: Apr 1st 2018 at 12:06:37 PM

It was even worse when the character's ultimate move is a generic energy ball/wave xD

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#82638: Apr 1st 2018 at 12:11:31 PM

Or super explosive wave...

Because why not...

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#82639: Apr 1st 2018 at 12:13:02 PM

You know, I think Bardock lends well to being the protagonist of a Xenoverse kind of story. His visions of the future could be interesting to pair with Time Breaker shenanigans, he'd get a chance to interact with Goku given he had so many visions of him in the original film, and it'd provide a decent enough reason for him to acquire Super Saiyan.

It'd still kinda miss the point of his story being a tragedy, but it seems like a role that'd fit what they're making him into lately.

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#82640: Apr 1st 2018 at 1:55:46 PM

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SS 2 Goku's ultimate move is Super Kamehameha.

That made me scratch my head even as a kid.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#82641: Apr 1st 2018 at 2:11:30 PM

Because...he doesn't get any significant attacks.

So, instead...the Kamehameha has to be his regular, while the Super version has to be his ultimate.

Even though every other SSJ form of all the Karrots has the Super Kamehameha as a regular.

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#82642: Apr 1st 2018 at 2:22:56 PM

17 and 18 not having many named attacks also makes sense in that they don't have any martial arts background and had very little time switched on to come up with moves

When they go on their road trip to kill some Goku they're so confident about being stronger than anyone that they don't really stretch their muscles on the way

16 has a couple of cool moves but they were probably programmed in

And Cell stole all his moves through genetic memory which makes no goddamn sense but whatever

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#82643: Apr 1st 2018 at 2:40:23 PM

Their attacks didn't have to be named...it's just that any ki blast they used weren't really anything special.

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#82644: Apr 1st 2018 at 4:21:37 PM

It's why a lot of games just create new moves for them or just have them together.

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#82645: Apr 1st 2018 at 4:27:39 PM

Well they are teens converted into machines rather than trained fighters so going hand to hand and using basic ki attacks doesn't seem that odd especially if their purpose is to be absorbed by cell later. Best not to give them something that could kill what would be later hunting them.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82646: Apr 1st 2018 at 4:28:37 PM

Well, if everything worked out Cell wouldn't even need to hunt them down; they would just comply because they'd be following Gero's orders/programming.

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#82647: Apr 1st 2018 at 4:32:31 PM

It would have been interesting if someone had pointed out that the androids have a lot of raw strength but not much skill or finesse

Would have been interesting if that was the fatal flaw that let Cell absorb 17 instead of just power leveling right past him

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#82648: Apr 1st 2018 at 4:36:42 PM

Cell was probably designed to be stronger than the androids anyway, it's just that he's stronger than the ones from his timeline-a timeline almost identical to Trunks where they are weaker

What do you guys think is the most likely in-universe reason why the androids were different in the main timeline from the future timeline? I've come to believe that because Goku lived longer in the main timeline Dr Gero was more focused on powering them up for the inevitable confrontation, and had to do some behavior modification for this. Android 19 was made because Goku was still alive to inevitably fight. 16, however, was probably in both timelines, the future androids just didn't let him out of his capsule

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82649: Apr 1st 2018 at 4:39:44 PM

Cell never meets the version of the Androids in the main timeline before powering up, so there's no reason for him to think they'd be stronger than the versions in his original timeline. He still thinks he needs to absorb a shitton of people in order to be strong enough to take them by force.

edited 1st Apr '18 4:40:13 PM by LSBK

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#82650: Apr 1st 2018 at 4:48:36 PM

Going "they didn't look as impressive" seems like a pretty shitty thing to get upset about when it is established via actually fighting that they are indeed stronger than Frieza and people stronger than him.

You might as well complain that Goku doesn't seem stronger than Frieza because he never actually blew up a planet but Frieza did. He clearly has the ability to do so, and context and actual dialogue makes that obvious. The same goes for the Androids.

Having higher numbers than someone isn't the same thing as having impressive feats. Just being told something isn't by itself enough to really sell having a new level of power. It's something Dragonball has struggled with for a long time.


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