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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#82476: Mar 29th 2018 at 12:18:00 PM

I mean, I am listening. What I'm saying has moved on from "they're definitely in a romantic relationship" to "they might not be in a romantic relationship because of the yuribait phenomenon others have mentioned and explained, but I want them to be in the future". Sounds like you're not listening to me. I just think the ambiguity of yuribait relationships is itself made ambiguous by the ambiguity of Dragon Ball relationships.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82477: Mar 29th 2018 at 12:20:25 PM

No, I (and seemingly everyone else) has listened to what you had said. I just disagree with your assessment because you've given no compelling reason for me to agree with it.

It seems more like you trying to save face, than anything else at this point. Because no one has said that actually saying they would be in a romantic relationship is bad, and Dragon Ball's take on romance doesn't actually blur the issue, because genuine romantic relationships are still acknowledged in a way that Kale and Caulifla haven't been.

edited 29th Mar '18 12:25:58 PM by LSBK

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#82478: Mar 29th 2018 at 12:25:37 PM

I just don't think you can completely and 100% write it off as yuribait just because of the country it's from, especially since Dragon Ball writes romance like this all the time. Aside from Kid Mai's crush and the not-kiss, Future Trunks and Future Mai have an even less overtly romantic relationship than Kale and Caulifla do. It might be yuribait, but because of the series it's from, it might not be. That's all I'm saying.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82479: Mar 29th 2018 at 12:27:02 PM

I'm not completely writing off anything. I'm saying it's very unlikely for reasons that have already been explained. You seem to be arguing that there's 50/50 chance, when we have no actual reason to think that.

And you say "because of the series it's from" but this isn't being written by Toriyama. Many different people are writing this, and their ideas and styles will be influenced by other phenomena and media in their culture, including anime in which what we're talking about is very common. Super is already written differently from OG Dragon Ball in many ways.

edited 29th Mar '18 12:30:02 PM by LSBK

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#82480: Mar 29th 2018 at 12:34:53 PM

Though I feel more optimistic than you, I agree with what you say. Let's move on. This conversation already died once. Let's bring it back if the manga does the same with them.

A while back I posted a poll of what you thought the ending to Movie 20 would be, do you all want to explain why you answered the way you did? What you think will happen and how it'll go down?

edited 29th Mar '18 12:36:05 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82481: Mar 29th 2018 at 12:38:09 PM

Next time Vegeta goes on about saiyan pride I want someone to ask him what saiyan culture produced besides angry grunting men punching people.

Because secretly I want him to reveal that saiyans actually had a vigorous theater scene or have done impressive things with pastries. Something. Anything. Maybe saiyans are some of the best slam poets in space. Every time they get dunked on, their flow gets stronger.

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#82482: Mar 29th 2018 at 12:56:29 PM

[up]

In regards to what Saiyan culture produced....a very successful galactic real estate business.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#82483: Mar 29th 2018 at 12:56:36 PM

[up][up]We already know that Saiyan culture had a vigorous theater scene.

edited 29th Mar '18 12:56:50 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82484: Mar 29th 2018 at 1:04:37 PM

[up][up] They were just a cog in Freeza and Cold's machine so I wouldn't give them credit for that.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82485: Mar 29th 2018 at 1:07:43 PM

Paragus was the most Shakespearan Saiyan who ever lived, shame we lost him. sad

Though the Saiyan's have nothing to be proud of, its just like Frieza sad. There just a bunch of savage monkey people who like to tell stories around the campfire while hitting each other with their own dung.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#82486: Mar 29th 2018 at 1:22:51 PM

Excuse me. Have you not seen the subtle art that is Saiyan dance and song?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#82487: Mar 29th 2018 at 1:33:09 PM

And thus we are reminded of another crime of Super: not having this part.

Remember the bingo song. Never forgive. Never.

One Strip! One Strip!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82488: Mar 29th 2018 at 1:34:35 PM

Its a little known fact that Saiyans invented bingo.

Saiyan bingo let you steal someone's bingo card if you beat them in arm wrestling which added a strategic element thats missing from Earth bingo.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82489: Mar 29th 2018 at 1:34:40 PM

I'll tell you why it was cut out.

Cause it is frankly impossible to have Vegeta to go on another pride self-wanking fest when he himself did that dance.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#82490: Mar 29th 2018 at 1:36:56 PM

But, that's exactly why it should have stayed.

Vegeta going all MAH PRIDE! is old hat now.

Vegeta blatantly throwing away said pride in order to protect those he loves TOLERATES is a great character moment for him.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82491: Mar 29th 2018 at 1:38:55 PM

[up] The latter statement contradicts his whole "I'll win by throwing nothing away" bologna, he said against Toppo.

Ironically Toppo was the one who threw away his pride.

edited 29th Mar '18 1:39:57 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#82492: Mar 29th 2018 at 1:58:06 PM

[up][up]

You don't think a bingo dance is too much? (Even if it makes sense in context)

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#82493: Mar 29th 2018 at 2:28:27 PM

You know that throwing away your pride isn't permanent. Just because he did it for this one thing doesn't mean it's gone forever. People don't change that drastically that fast.

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#82494: Mar 29th 2018 at 2:29:56 PM

man if only there was a scene in a previous entry in the series that showed vegeta foregoing his saiyan pride for the sake of his family and the ones he cared about

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82495: Mar 29th 2018 at 2:30:07 PM

That's true, they don't, but him bitching about Toppo doing something similar, with even higher stakes, doesn't make Vegeta particularly endearing. Or at least, for some people it doesn't.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82496: Mar 29th 2018 at 2:32:36 PM

Toppo was far nobler than Vegeta in that situation.

Especially since Vegeta is officially the worst teammate of U7.

Even then fuck his pride, Saiyan's have nothing to be proud of. There nothing more than a barbarian horde, only without the horde.

edited 29th Mar '18 2:33:58 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82497: Mar 29th 2018 at 2:36:12 PM

Also, like, did Vegeta knock the God of Destruction-ness right out of Toppo? As soon as he loses he goes right back to the way he was, and seemingly at the end he's still a Pride Trooper. That's weird.

edited 29th Mar '18 2:36:34 PM by LSBK

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#82498: Mar 29th 2018 at 2:38:43 PM

Its almost like Toppo's thing was meaningless and he wasn't actually proving anything by "throwing away his pride".

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82499: Mar 29th 2018 at 2:55:36 PM

He proved he could lift an entire collective noun of lions

That's pretty impressive.

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#82500: Mar 29th 2018 at 3:26:54 PM

I find it interesting that Cell inadvertently(probably) screwed over his counterparts. If Imperfect Cell didn't be atypically stupid and tell his backstory, Trunks and Krillin may not have found Present Cell. Sure, he'd be relatively weak when he arrives, but Imperfect Cell's crafty and could have snuck off to trained to be stronger(the butterfly effect may have also made him stronger since it worked for 17 and 18), which could be a lot even without eating people since he has Frieza and his father's cells.

Since Trunks trained to get stronger in order to fight Cell, it also meant that Cell motivates Trunks so that Future Cell would have no chance to beat him. I kind of got the impression that the Cell we Love to Hate actually preferred the present timeline because all the fighters he heard about were alive and he could indulge his Challenge Seeker nature. He would also have a lot more people alive to terrorize


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