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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82401: Mar 28th 2018 at 11:06:48 PM

For a monumental fatalist sure.

...... No, no, its still too lackadaisical.

No one should be that chill when their FUCKING FAMILY IS ABOUT TO BE OBLITERATED!

At least look a little surprised.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#82402: Mar 28th 2018 at 11:13:10 PM

I guess he should've been more chill...

Like barely awake...

edited 28th Mar '18 11:13:36 PM by randomness4

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#82403: Mar 28th 2018 at 11:24:20 PM

17 getting so much play is one of the best parts of the arc what are you talking about?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82404: Mar 28th 2018 at 11:26:45 PM

[up]Could you stop doing that? It's fine if you liked all the play that 17 got, other people didn't.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#82405: Mar 28th 2018 at 11:29:14 PM

MVP 17 was one of my favorite things. Mostly because going into this, I just assumed 17 wpuld get knocked out in the space between the humans and saiyans.

edited 28th Mar '18 11:30:12 PM by Zeromaeus

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#82406: Mar 28th 2018 at 11:29:57 PM

[up][up]Stop... declaring my thoughts on matters? No.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82407: Mar 28th 2018 at 11:31:37 PM

[up]1) That's not at all what I asked, and 2) you actually have asked people to do that often, in the name of "politeness", and so just seem like a very big hypocrite right now. Very annoyingly so, in fact.

Asking you not to dismiss other people's opinions you happen not to agree with, isn't the same thing as asking you not to have or share your own.

edited 28th Mar '18 11:34:36 PM by LSBK

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#82408: Mar 28th 2018 at 11:31:45 PM

The fact that 17 got so much shilling made no sense and came out of nowhere

Like, he's completely irrelevant as a character both in-universe and out for decades, and then suddenly he's on-par with god-level characters and is the hottest thing since sliced bread

I don't even dislike 17- the opposite, in fact- and his overbearing presence got to me.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#82409: Mar 28th 2018 at 11:33:36 PM

I think you're playing him up a bit, even as far as his hotness went.

Wouldn't say he's anywhere near sliced bread.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#82410: Mar 28th 2018 at 11:49:28 PM

Even Super on a hiatus, what are we going to complain about every other week?

edited 28th Mar '18 11:49:44 PM by GAP

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82411: Mar 28th 2018 at 11:53:30 PM

Odd how a good deal of hyped characters ended up being either rather irrelevant or just didn't amount to much.

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Kosjurake The Wildest of Ronins from Tokyo LOCCENT Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
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#82412: Mar 29th 2018 at 1:00:14 AM

You know if they were going to have someone besides Goku win, I think it would have been funnier if Freeza had been the last one standing. Especially if he too then wished all the universes back. Under the logic of "I'm gonna start rebuilding my empire once I'm alive again, and hey why not expand it beyond just one universe."

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#82413: Mar 29th 2018 at 1:09:15 AM

Why would he wish all the universes back to rebuild his empire...?

Uh...wouldn't he just wish at least for the planets and races he destroyed back so he can keep selling them?

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#82414: Mar 29th 2018 at 1:27:49 AM

17's success didn't bother me because of the following factors:

  1. He didn't, for example, do too much heavy lifting in the final battles, he was more just there running interference which makes sense - he's got the most endurance but the least power out of a lot of the final guys so him just being able to hang in there and throw out attacks made a fair bit of sense.
  2. Using barriers they managed to get him a distinctive fighting style basically out of nothing which I found very impressive especially considering certain other characters who've been around for longer are still throwing out just beams and stuff
  3. I know that "unexpected" is not always just a plus but in a battle royale it's always supposed to be unexpected and the TOP actually turned out more or less like just a tourney bracket for most of its run so a less powerful guy hanging in there made it feel more like a free for all

Quite frankly if anyone got too much focus for the last stretch it was Vegeta.

edited 29th Mar '18 1:30:54 AM by Sigilbreaker26

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#82415: Mar 29th 2018 at 6:09:42 AM

I thing Frieza is too evil for him to believably switch from a selfish wish to a selfless one at the last second, unlike 17.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#82416: Mar 29th 2018 at 6:58:30 AM

WHO IS HE SELLING TO

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#82417: Mar 29th 2018 at 7:18:18 AM

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1. He was severely outclassed by both Toppo and Jiren and shouldn't have been able to react to any of their attacks. He shouldn't have had enough power or speed to run interference to begin with.

2. They overused his barrier honestly, it stopped being special after the 50th time they used it. And his barrier survived stuff it probably shouldn't have, but whatever.

3. They sure did a poor job of making 17 seem like a "less powerful guy", with how strong they portrayed him to be. Stronger than he has any right to be. And as for Vegeta, he's Goku's primary rival, not some side character that wasn't relevant after the Cell arc. He should get some focus.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#82418: Mar 29th 2018 at 7:26:47 AM

I'm a little torn on 17:

He did get far more play than he deserved, but then again, he's been out of the game for a while (decades from a meta standpoint) so it seemed like they wanted to really showcase him and went a bit overboard.

On the other hand, that's what kinda makes his being the last man standing unexpected: he's been such a non issue for years that I doubt anyone thought he'd be the overall winner, which is pretty much classic Toriyama (after all, there's no way he'd let Goku win tongue).

Speaking of which, ok Toriyama we get it: you want to create a Twist Ending by not having Goku save the day...only for years now, you been doing it.

He only defeated two big bads in Z (and ultimately, it was Trunks who stopped Frieaza), and hasn't defeated any Antagonists in Super (which lead to the rather shitty ending of the Future Trunks arc).

Just doing a twist for the sake of a twist is just as boring as having the hero solo everyone...which you manage to have Goku do.

It's far too late to say use your other characters, as you've been finding excuses to push them out of the plot or make them useless for years now (and you don't even show us much of what they do when they aren't fighting either, which means we can't even get stuff like that to show it's not just about fighting), but maybe just play things straight and have Goku get the win sometimes huh?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82419: Mar 29th 2018 at 7:30:01 AM

Funny thing I just realized.

Last week Goku defeated one of the most dangerous beings in the multiverse, a cliche generic Batman/Superman hybrid by teaming up with his greatest nemesis, Frieza.

This week in the current DC event Metal, Batman defeated one of the most dangerous beings in the multiverse, a deranged unholy fusion of Batman & Joker, by teaming up with his greatest nemesis, Joker.

Ha we getting lots of nemesis team-ups recently. tongue

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#82420: Mar 29th 2018 at 7:35:33 AM

They overused his barrier honestly, it stopped being special after the 50th time they used it.

I'm fine with it because he kept coming up with new and interesting ways to use it, unlike say Vegeta's "Final Flash for the sixth time in a row".

They sure did a poor job of making 17 seem like a "less powerful guy", with how strong they portrayed him to be.

Eh. He's strong enough to hang with the big boys but he was clearly the weakest out of the group, and relied a lot on cleverness and tricks. Even in the earlier fights he wasn't really shown as an overwhelming force.

He did get far more play than he deserved

He's fictional, he can't deserve anything. tongue

edited 29th Mar '18 7:35:49 AM by Moth13

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#82421: Mar 29th 2018 at 7:48:48 AM

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17 was arguably portrayed to be stronger than Frieza (before the final episode stomped on that perspective) because Jiren tossed Frieza aside as if he were an ant (which is what he should have done to 17).

I have no desire to rewatch the episodes, but I'm almost positive it was 17, Goku, and Vegeta that were doing most of the work in combating Jiren before the final episode had Frieza trading blows with Jiren all of a sudden.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#82422: Mar 29th 2018 at 7:51:22 AM

Vegeta being Goku's chief rival is kind of played out

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#82423: Mar 29th 2018 at 7:53:08 AM

Eh. He's strong enough to hang with the big boys but he was clearly the weakest out of the group, and relied a lot on cleverness and tricks.

Hey, I like 17, but the thing is, that's not how dragon ball works.

Clever strategies and tricks are absolutely meaningless if you aren't somewhere close to the strength of the other guys, which 17 was not. His barrier should not have saved him as often as it did, because everyone else was so powerful they should have plowed through it...in theory. He only ever used it once to worf Piccolo's Hellzone Grenade SAVE HIMSELF FROM PICCOLO'S ATTACK, so I can't be sure.

I mean, in most cases when someone employs a clever strategy, it's only to show how it's not going to work. Few are the times where such things matter at all.

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#82424: Mar 29th 2018 at 7:55:42 AM

I hope this becomes a meme

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#82425: Mar 29th 2018 at 7:56:08 AM

17 was at no point shown to be stronger than Freeza. He mainly survived for so long against Jiren because he was fighting as a group with Vegeta and Goku. Any time he had to bring out the barriers against Jiren at full power they generally did little to nothing.

Jiren only tossed aside Freeza because Freeza chose to attack him directly by himself.

edited 29th Mar '18 7:56:43 AM by Sigilbreaker26

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