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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#82376: Mar 28th 2018 at 7:55:13 AM

That's not even something limited to interaction.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#82377: Mar 28th 2018 at 7:56:01 AM

True. Reminds me of Samurai Jack, where Tumblr declared Ashi and Flora were a thing and then blew up after the episode with the kiss.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#82378: Mar 28th 2018 at 7:58:19 AM

The reaction from tumblr to that episode was hilarious.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82379: Mar 28th 2018 at 9:46:26 AM

I still find it strange that the concept of fiction having characters acting in ways that may be perceived as romantic, without there actually being any intent to actually do anything with it is somehow new.

It happens all the time, even with hypothetical straight couples.

edited 28th Mar '18 9:48:12 AM by LSBK

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#82380: Mar 28th 2018 at 10:24:21 AM

See; "Romantic" Two-Girl Friendship, as several other people have said.

Kale and Caulifla's relationship is incredibly common in anime, and stems from a larger problem of homophobia in Japanese society.

Their relationship is hardly written as legitimately romantic, but rather a trope common in Japanese media used as yuri bait to pander to otaku audiences while still keeping the status quo due to Class S relationships being common and expected in real life (and also not seen as legitimate).

It is very rare that any sort of romantic pretense between two female characters in anime is actually genuinely romantic and in support of homosexuality and same-sex couples. Kale and Caulifla are living up to a common trope, and trying to insist that they're intended by the writers in support to same-sex couples is actually pretty ignorant of the issues with same-sex couples as represented in japanese media.

Kale and Caulifla's relationship as it's written in Super stems from homophobia, not from supporting same-sex couples.

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#82381: Mar 28th 2018 at 10:43:16 AM

Amazing...

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#82382: Mar 28th 2018 at 10:45:33 AM

[up][up] Are you sure that's a fact or mere opinion? The relationship I mean.

Even so, LGBT representation in the country seems to be going in a good direction as far as I'm concerned.

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#82383: Mar 28th 2018 at 10:48:26 AM

[up]If you want to ignore the sociocultural status of Japan and it's media, sure you can brush it off as just an opinion.

And the current status of the views on homosexual relationships in Japan could hardly be called a "good direction". It might be getting better, but it's still terribly terribly bad, and trying to act like it's not is offensive to the struggles that actual Japanese LGBT+ people face there.

It's exactly while calling Kale and Caulifla's relationship as a good representation of a same-sex relationship, or calling it an actual instance of a same-sex relationship at all, it a major issue. Because it doesn't address the undertones of homophobia in how these types of relationships are written in Japanese media.

To be clear- I'm not saying you can't be shipping them or that they don't have a basis to be shipped or whatever. I don't care about that aspect. My point is that the way their relationship is written is seriously problematic and acting like it's okay is an issue and ignores the larger problems at hand in this type of media and Japanese society as a whole.

edited 28th Mar '18 10:52:18 AM by EpicBleye

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#82384: Mar 28th 2018 at 10:56:36 AM

Just look at the Soleil debacle from Fire Emblem Fates.

Not that the rest of the world is any better, mind you, but in a lot of Japanese media homosexuality exists solely as teases for straight people with yaoi/yuri fetishes to get their rocks off to, but still fantasize about themselves being with their waifu/husbando in a have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too manner.

edited 28th Mar '18 10:59:14 AM by Anomalocaris20

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#82385: Mar 28th 2018 at 12:29:06 PM

@Anom: Wouldn't it just be easier to make characters bisexual, in that case?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#82386: Mar 28th 2018 at 12:33:28 PM

Ya think so?

Would that make sense?

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#82387: Mar 28th 2018 at 12:39:44 PM

[up][up]It would! Shame that bisexuality isn't considered valid (just like homosexuality) in these media producing countries.

edited 28th Mar '18 12:39:59 PM by EpicBleye

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#82388: Mar 28th 2018 at 1:03:25 PM

There's also the (stupid) hate bisexuality gets by homophobes and gays/lesbians (yeah, some gays/lesbains hate bisexual, believe it or not)

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#82389: Mar 28th 2018 at 1:41:46 PM

So I was thinking about why Roshi and Crane Hermit seem to be the only Martial Arts Masters who teach ki techniques.

Then I remembered that asshole King Piccolo. He probably wiped out a lot of masters capable of such things before Mutatito stopped him.

So it's basically his fault that the quality of Earth's fighters is so low (beyond their own limits in terms of how high their powers can get)

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#82390: Mar 28th 2018 at 1:47:54 PM

The exact situation where a God of Destruction was needed [lol] Stupid Beerus

Then again, if King Piccolo wasn't there to cause adversity, who's to say Goku would've ever gotten the training needed to save all the universe multiple times?

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#82391: Mar 28th 2018 at 1:55:01 PM

[up][up][up]That's not at all hard to believe. Gay people are just as capable of seeing sexuality in binary and not fluid terms and bisexuals as "needing to pick a side" as straight people.

edited 28th Mar '18 1:55:21 PM by LSBK

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#82392: Mar 28th 2018 at 1:57:17 PM

There are also some tensions between gay and trans people over which one should "take priority" in efforts for social change.

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#82393: Mar 28th 2018 at 3:49:06 PM

True. Reminds me of Samurai Jack, where Tumblr declared Ashi and Flora were a thing and then blew up after the episode with the kiss.

The reaction from tumblr to that episode was hilarious.

Let's be real though, that episode was "she's a girl and he's a guy and they interacted. Therefore they must be shipped" incarnate.

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#82394: Mar 28th 2018 at 6:01:55 PM

Question for those who know Japanese; the sub claims that Android 17's response when Belmod asks him about his wish is "I'm going to obtain the Super Dragon Balls ... and take a trip with my family on a cruiser". I'm sort of curious how accurate that translation is, because there's a really neat Exact Words interpretation of that statement that's basically what ended up happening.

(If you don't get it; there's nothing in Android 17's comment that actually says what his wish is, just that something will happen between him getting the Super Dragon Balls and going on the cruise. Which is the sort of trollish description that fits well with his character.)

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#82395: Mar 28th 2018 at 6:11:18 PM

He thought he would win>>>

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#82396: Mar 28th 2018 at 6:21:56 PM

Well, he did. He wasn't wrong to think that.

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#82397: Mar 28th 2018 at 7:12:49 PM

He knew he had the writers on his side all along.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#82398: Mar 28th 2018 at 7:14:41 PM

The writers are his most reliable partner, forget 18...she got eliminated 30 minutes prior.

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#82399: Mar 28th 2018 at 10:51:07 PM

If I had to point to like one thing that was a major flaw with the TOP that isn't a shot at like the actual idea of it (IE 80 man FFA for the fate of the universe thing), it would be 17. I don't even dislike the character, he just got way way more screentime and success then is justifiable. Coupled with the fact that his reaction to being told the universe would be erased if they lost was "Whatever" but being able to wish for a boat is what got him to compete, I also kind of want to call bullshit on him wishing all the universes back.

Like I know there are a lot of major flaws with this arc, like Jiren not getting character until the very end, the trying to make stamina conservation a thing and then having Goku go to 100 to 0 and back to 100 like a half dozen times, everyone's lackadaisical attitude to the threat of universal annihilation and so on and so forth. But I dunno, 17 just getting overused is probably what bugged me the most.

Other then that, this isn't pokemon damn it. When people self-destruct they should die! That means you too Vegeta!

Of course despite that, I still overall think I enjoyed this arc more then I disliked it. It had enough good fight scenes to make up for the bad I guess. But I really want like a completely redone version that actually lives up to the FFA nature and isn't just everyone lining up to take a shot at universe 7.

Like I got this great mental image of super sized Bergamo and either giant Ribrannie or Anilaza having a kaiju fight in the background as we watch I dunno, what's his face with the family portrait that Gohan fought vs Katopersa(sp?). Or maybe Cabba vs Maji Kaijo.

Unrelated, but it still really really annoys me how noodlely the universe 6 saiyans are. It just doesn't look good.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#82400: Mar 28th 2018 at 11:03:45 PM

17's reaction to the Universes being destroyed is perfectly reasonable...

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