Well, about the expected wish, remember that both Zen-oh and the Grand Priest were comfortable with Goku being casual around them, in contrast with everybody being submissive and trying to enforce said submissiveness.
Not a single one of the Gods would dare wish the Universes back, because they are terrified of Zen-Oh. But, Zen-Oh has shown on repeated ocassions he doesn't care for protocol very much.
So basically, they were testing if mortals could go in Screw The Rules Im Doing What Is Right mode.
Or, in other words, the Kaioshins and Hakaishins need to take their sticks out of their asses.
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If by "unsported" you mean "doesn't mesh up with your preferred interpretation", sure. Because while Bergamo certainly has no reason to like Goku, he was also clearly trying to rally support against Goku to make himself look as good as possible, make Goku look as bad as possible, and was smug throughout the thing.
This was all very clear, to me anyway, and I know I'm not the only one to see it that way.
edited 26th Mar '18 9:11:44 AM by LSBK
I think maybe if you've established yourself as someone who wipes out universes on a whim people have a good reason to be afraid of you. And also if you create a system where a giant cat man has to weed out life leaving only 28 planets with life on them you have also established yourself as someone to be feared for their capriciousness.
Goku is buddy buddy with him because there is possibly something wrong with his actual brain.
Does smugness condemn you if you also save every universe?
edited 26th Mar '18 9:10:56 AM by Bocaj
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I'm not saying every universe being saved was bad, I'm saying that Bergamo didn't actually do it that way because he cared about saving every universe, he wanted to frame the situation in a very specific way.
It's not like Bergamo wanted the other universes to be erased, but saying he'd actually care about saving them if his own universe wasn't on the line is not something I'd take as a given.
edited 26th Mar '18 9:13:45 AM by LSBK
I mean, I didn't even remember that Whis said anything, and am basing my assessment on Bergamo's words, actions, and how the scene was framed. I guess it's just YMMV then.
Doesn't really matter though, my point wasn't that Bergamo is an awful person, just that his actions were primarily for self-preservation and not altruistic.
edited 26th Mar '18 9:21:02 AM by LSBK
Whis only points out that he's good at working the crowd and is painting Goku like a villain. I don't see why Bergamo's action of asking Zen-Oh to spare everyone should be undermined by the fact that he happens to be good at public speaking and he villainizes someone whom he has every reason to think is a villain.
It's not what he asks for that's bad, it's that he's only doing it for his own self gain. He knows that if he asks for just his own universe to be spared, than all the other gods would come to hate him and universe 9 for his selfishness, which would be bad at the tournament. He's cunning enough to realise there's more to gain and less to lose for universe 9 by asking for all of the universes to be spared as opposed to just his own.
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Basically this. That he's acting for self-preservation doesn't mean that others can't be benefitted from it. I would say "right thing done for wrong reason" but I don't even think it counts as the "wrong" reason. just not the "best" reason.
With that in mind you can't necessarily count on him to do same thing in a situation where he knows that himself and Universe 9 are safe.
edited 26th Mar '18 11:29:50 AM by LSBK
You think Karrot should be smarter?
Should the situations that took place in Super have been more dire?
He only seems to appear smarter when things are actually serious.
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Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.I thought it was pretty clearly established that Bergamo's little speech was his way of making himself, and Universe 9 by proxy, look good. Keep in mind that it comes after El Grande Padre is all "Man, it sure is great seeing such entertaining fights from these shitty universes. Especially Universe 9, which is the worst."
Sure, his actions were good for everyone involved, but that's the point. He's doing that to save everyone so that people won't go away remembering "Haha, Universe 9 sure sucks" but "Wow, Universe 9 is so noble and they saved all of us from being erased!"

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I think that would have been kind of contrived. No more contrived than anything else in Super, mind, but that's no excuse.
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