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agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#82201: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:16:03 PM

People are really looking too deep into this. Especially since it's Dragon Ball

edited 25th Mar '18 7:42:48 PM by agent-trunks

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82202: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:19:07 PM

Going "It's Dragon Ball" doesn't somehow change anything. If they expected us to look at this profoundly, and they clearly did, then scrutiny is just a part of the deal.

edited 25th Mar '18 7:23:09 PM by LSBK

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#82203: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:21:13 PM

Fuck, I should have said "It's a matter of perspective, really".

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#82204: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:30:06 PM

[up][up] Did they really because I've never felt any moral actions being question here.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82205: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:32:17 PM

[up]Not the same thing as supposing to find Zeno's "true motives" profound.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#82206: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:39:05 PM

Who said it is to begin with? They're children, what would they know? They're not Franklin Richards.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82207: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:40:25 PM

Yes, but we're not supposed to be thinking "they're children" we're supposed to think this makes them profound or smarter than they look. I'm not really sure what's hard to understand about this.

The story was trying to do something, and failed. It happens, and people are free to complain about it. If you don't care, that's fine, but that doesn't mean being annoyed by it is wrong.

edited 25th Mar '18 7:41:45 PM by LSBK

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#82208: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:40:55 PM

It's an anime for ten-year-old boys who like to watch cool aliens beating the snot out of each other. I think we dig too deep into stuff like this sometimes.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82209: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:42:31 PM

[up]I always find that reasoning really insulting to children, actually.

It's certainly possible to analyze things too deeply, but you don't have to look very hard to see what they were going for, or say that they failed. This is the kind of thing that would have bothered me when I was 10, at least.

edited 25th Mar '18 7:44:10 PM by LSBK

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#82210: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:44:29 PM

Oh don't get me wrong, I hate when shows talk down to children (like the Pokemon anime deliberately leaving plot holes unresolved because "kids don't care about continuity), but even with that in mind... there's kind of a limit, y'know? I'm not talking about the kids themselves here, either - I'm talking about the show.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82211: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:46:27 PM

They really shouldn't have treated this tournament so seriously then.

If your having a cosmic horror death tournament & most of the opposing participants are not mindless monsters then there's a certain level of respect & tenderness needed to handle it.

edited 25th Mar '18 7:46:55 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82212: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:46:48 PM

[up][up]I mean, I think the entire show is like that: if you don't care and just enjoy it fine but, again, a lot of things in this show would bother me as a kid. Probably not as much as they do now, but the nagging thoughts in my head would be there.

edited 25th Mar '18 7:48:34 PM by LSBK

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#82213: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:47:25 PM

If you're saying it's talking down to the audience then I haven't really got that impression that either.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#82214: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:52:49 PM

There's a point where you have to understand that Dragon Ball's attempts a depth are puddle deep, and at that point you're free to roll your eyes and point out when they inevitably fall on their face. The Zeno reveal is only one such an occasion.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#82215: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:55:26 PM

Hence why I say it's Dragon Ball.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82216: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:56:26 PM

And hence why I say "if it doesn't bother you, that's fine, but that doesn't mean it's not going to be mentioned."

I feel like these things get dwelled on a lot more than they otherwise would, because of that.

edited 25th Mar '18 7:57:28 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82217: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:57:45 PM

[up][up] And that's not an excuse.

Alright for I now want Cell & Super Buu to come back just so they can have an epic team up with Gohan & Vegito just like Frieza & Goku.

edited 25th Mar '18 7:58:04 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#82218: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:57:54 PM

And then we go back to Very Melon's comment just now. Rinse & Repeat

Edgar81539 Since: Mar, 2014
#82219: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:59:17 PM

I mean, what I find funny about this is that the choice can be easily chalked up to the writers realizing how much of an asshole they were shaping up the Zeno's and Grande Padre to be - something we all realized when he was literally playing chess with planets back when Goku told him about the tournament.

I don't really care about the intended reaction or how deep Dragon Ball actually is - I just really like to analyze how badly the writers managed things from the start. It's also one of the reasons why I find funny how Jiren flip-flops so much on characterization and how much Kale/Kefla flip-flops on power. They just can't seem to agree in what they want us to think hahaha. That's the entire reason I find the manga to be much more palatable - there's not a clash of ideas and writers, just one guy that tries to make the outline work, and even with Toyo's mistakes, it's a lot more consistent.

Codafett Knows-Many-Things Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Knows-Many-Things
#82220: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:39:41 PM

Boy, I think I missed the bus of relevancy but I really loved that ending. Now all I have to do is wait for the End of Z on Kai and it'll all be wrapped up in a cute bow.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82221: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:45:01 PM

I'm waiting and hoping for the super saiyan form that gives Goku unmoving plaid hair

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#82222: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:55:04 PM

Super Saiyan Wes Weasley.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82223: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:56:48 PM

I still think it would have been cool if Ultra Instinct backfiring on him ended up costing Goku access to all of his transformations.

I don't know, I just think there's a beautiful symbolism there.

edited 25th Mar '18 9:00:46 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#82224: Mar 25th 2018 at 9:13:57 PM

Well that was a very obvious and expected ending.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#82225: Mar 25th 2018 at 9:14:23 PM

Zeno's motives are complex.

edited 25th Mar '18 9:15:04 PM by Hobgoblin


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