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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82126: Mar 25th 2018 at 2:27:18 PM

Yeah, but Goku wasn't really thinking clearly in that situation.

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#82127: Mar 25th 2018 at 2:28:00 PM

Easy joke, does he think clearly in any situation

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#82128: Mar 25th 2018 at 2:29:11 PM

Imagine how unstoppable the Red Ribbon Army would be if they'd hadn't had the poor luck of launching into their Dragon ball quest at the same time as Goku.

And then making him mad enough to want to go after them. Seriously, they'd be ruling the world right now if they'd tried it a few years earlier.

Huh...there's an idea there.

Edit: Just remembered another old thought: Has it ever been explained why Roshi and Crane hermit seem to be the only human martial artists on earth who teach Ki techniques?

I never considered it before, but I'm guessing it has to do with King Piccolo's original purge before he was sealed away.

edited 25th Mar '18 2:30:58 PM by HandsomeRob

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#82129: Mar 25th 2018 at 2:40:10 PM

So I wonder... those other four universes Zeno supposedly erased... did they ever exist, or were they simply part of the trick? If they did exist, did they come back with 17's wish? There were those mysterious sketches of Destroyers, Kais, and Angels we've never seen before on Toyotaro's Twitter...

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#82130: Mar 25th 2018 at 2:41:43 PM

Honestly, it' not impossible.

Though I'd assume the Grand Priest wouldn't make a mistake like that, and all dragons have been rather good at interpreting the spirit of a wish as opposed to the letter.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#82131: Mar 25th 2018 at 2:43:56 PM

Except for the Pilaf Gang's wish for youth anyway.

Violet being 17's wife is a pretty cool idea by the way.

edited 25th Mar '18 2:44:58 PM by Cortez

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82132: Mar 25th 2018 at 2:49:07 PM

or were they simply part of the trick?

That would be both unnecessary and wouldn't make sense. Though, I wouldn't put money on them being restored along with the others. They might have, but the writers don't seem like the type to think people would actually care about that.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#82133: Mar 25th 2018 at 2:49:49 PM

[up][up]It especially works because none of the Z warriors met her, and at most she might have only briefly saw Goku (and that's mainly in the anime), so she'd have no reason to know who they are, and how they're already connected.

Plus, now that I think of it, a former Red Ribbon officer marrying a dude who as experimented on by a former Red Ribbon scientist would be interesting.

edited 25th Mar '18 2:50:02 PM by HandsomeRob

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#82134: Mar 25th 2018 at 2:54:03 PM

I rather hope that all the universes got revived because it be an amusing loophole wish since 17 never specified which universes.

Though yeah that be unlikely.

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BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
Time Stranger
#82135: Mar 25th 2018 at 3:04:27 PM

Is it unlikely? It really depends on Toriyama/Toei

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#82136: Mar 25th 2018 at 3:05:42 PM

It's not really 17 making the wish however. It's El Padre Grande, and he'd make sure that it was clear what 17 meant.

Also, 17 doesn't know about the other universes that were erased, so he wouldn't consider them, bu the priest would.

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Thebrawlbro Since: Aug, 2013
#82137: Mar 25th 2018 at 3:10:15 PM

Fun thing I realized about the Goku Black arc. Unlike any of the other main arcs of super, you could skip it entirely and not miss a thing. Nothing that happens in that arc matters for the Tournament of Power.

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#82139: Mar 25th 2018 at 3:13:11 PM

Gowasu.

Edit: That grin Jiren gives after getting a double gut-punch is pretty great.

edited 25th Mar '18 3:13:48 PM by Anomalocaris20

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82140: Mar 25th 2018 at 3:17:52 PM

I think this episode proves that Vegeta really is just old news for Goku.

Throughout Super Goku has teamed up with a multitude of people & having high compatibility with them, from Hit to the Androids, to even having a 100% sync-rate with Frieza of all people.

In contrast he & Vegeta have consistently abysmal teamwork & can't seem to be able to do shit togther.

Goku should really just move on from Vegeta & find someone new cause Vegeta is clearly not properly providing Goku's wants & needs.

[up] This is the most emotive Jiren has been since.......... the sun first rose.

edited 25th Mar '18 3:18:31 PM by slimcoder

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#82141: Mar 25th 2018 at 3:26:32 PM

This is true.

Hell, their inability to work together was a plot point in Resurrection F (since they could have solved the problem in seconds if they'd been willing to do so, but valued their own individual fights more, even in the face of Earth's destruction).

Goku and Vegeta being totally unable to work together seems to be a thing now.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#82142: Mar 25th 2018 at 3:30:52 PM

it was also a thing when they fought jiren. the only reason they got some hits in was because they were so unsynced that jiren couldnt tell what was gonna happen next

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82144: Mar 25th 2018 at 3:34:46 PM

[up] ........... OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!!!

We never did learn his Goddamn wish.

edited 25th Mar '18 3:35:13 PM by slimcoder

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#82145: Mar 25th 2018 at 3:35:15 PM

...AUUUUUUUUUGH, I JUST REALIZED THAT NOW TOO.

FUCK THIS SERIES.

kidding, love you, be back later.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#82146: Mar 25th 2018 at 3:36:17 PM

I realized that right after the episode. Doesn't matter though, nothing about Jiren leads me to believe that his wish would actually be interesting.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82147: Mar 25th 2018 at 3:38:29 PM

While you are right, still I mean damn.

All that hype & build-up was just a waste of time.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#82148: Mar 25th 2018 at 3:39:19 PM

he wished for something beyond strength. turns out thats friends

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#82149: Mar 25th 2018 at 3:40:45 PM

[up] Most along those lines, yeah, due to his narrowminded view of strength.

It's left up to interpretation at the point.

Based on his backstory, and his attitude prior to fighting Goku in 129-131, he might have considered a wish that would fall under the "selfish" range that the Zen-Ohs and Grand Minister talked about.

Toriyama did allude that Toyotaro's version will have some differences, but I'm not sure by how much. We know that the elimination order's the same between both versions (that's a Toriyama contribution).

edited 25th Mar '18 3:43:45 PM by XMenMutant22

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#82150: Mar 25th 2018 at 3:42:29 PM

Eh. Screw him. He ain't important. I can't even laugh at how we learned nothing about what he wanted.

Heh. This however, is pretty hilarious.

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