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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#81776: Mar 21st 2018 at 11:25:51 AM

Guess it should be dodging more than it actually is...

Since that's the point.

edited 21st Mar '18 11:26:07 AM by randomness4

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#81777: Mar 21st 2018 at 2:08:01 PM

The point is that you move without thinking. Act and react automatically without conscious thought. It is still limited by what the body can do, not a dodge everything move. As PMC said Goku was still dodging a bunch, but if the the difference in speed is small he can't avoid everything.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#81778: Mar 21st 2018 at 3:38:47 PM

I want there to be a multiplier for God and Blue already. All we know for sure is Blue is 50 x God since God Goku had issues with Base Kefla, then turned Blue and Kefla had to go SSJ(a 50 x multiplier), and God is >400 x base(stronger than SSJ 3, which is a x 8 on SSJ or a x 400 base). Making Blue a >20,000 x multiplier.

Anyone got a good estimate for what multiplier Super Saiyan God has and the explanation why?

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#81779: Mar 21st 2018 at 3:42:39 PM

There's reason to believe it's a higher than Fusion given Goku dismisses Vegito as an option and they go for God.

So it should be a *lot*.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#81780: Mar 21st 2018 at 3:43:37 PM

It might not strictly be a multiplier. Could very well involve addition, exponentials or both.

edited 21st Mar '18 3:46:08 PM by Anomalocaris20

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81781: Mar 21st 2018 at 3:44:17 PM

I hate math.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#81782: Mar 21st 2018 at 4:29:16 PM

Algebraic!

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#81783: Mar 21st 2018 at 4:43:09 PM

@ sigilbreaker: From what I surmised, Goku's base increased dramatically after the ritual, as did Vegeta when getting his own Blue. Base Copy Vegeta(who has identical power to Vegeta) knocked out SSJ 3 Gotenks, who is around the strength of base Super Buu, who is someone Goku admitted he'd be dead fighting even with Vegeta's help. So Super Buu is a lot stronger than SSJ 3 Goku Buu Saga, who is himself a lot weaker than Vegeta and Goku with god essence.

By power scaling, this means that between the Buu Saga and when they show off Blue Goku and Vegeta must've increased their power at base by hundreds of times.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#81784: Mar 21st 2018 at 4:46:53 PM

I will say you're gonna have a tough time trying to power scale anything in Super, the power levels have been going all over the place.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#81785: Mar 21st 2018 at 4:58:57 PM

Yeah, especially whenever Goku busts out Kaioken x10 or whatever but only makes a marginal improvement.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#81786: Mar 21st 2018 at 5:48:25 PM

Pffft, he used x20 on Jiren in their first fight :V

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#81787: Mar 21st 2018 at 5:50:02 PM

I mean, against Jiren that served an actual purpose to illustrate the gap between them. But then there's stuff like Goku go Kaioken X 10 or whatever against Toppo, with a point-blank Kamehameha that did basically nothing.

edited 21st Mar '18 5:50:19 PM by LSBK

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#81788: Mar 21st 2018 at 6:10:23 PM

What if he did Kaioken x100 again and went False SSJ SSJ Blue?

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#81789: Mar 21st 2018 at 6:11:56 PM

It was such a dumb little thing but the whole it is fine he can still go x20...he's been x20 the whole time moment was great. That's when I was ready for the hype.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#81790: Mar 21st 2018 at 6:39:04 PM

So is even God of Destruction!Toppo < Jiren?

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#81791: Mar 21st 2018 at 6:40:53 PM

Yep, after all Jiren is stronger than Belmond.

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#81792: Mar 21st 2018 at 7:07:17 PM

Go D Toppo<SSBE Vegeta<SSBE Vegeta + 20×Kaioken SSB Goku≤ Jiren<Full Power Jiren<Shirtless Jiren

edited 21st Mar '18 7:12:02 PM by Ikedatakeshi

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#81793: Mar 21st 2018 at 7:14:16 PM

Was GoD Toppo weaker than a "regular" GoD, since he became one while his predecessor was still alive?

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#81794: Mar 21st 2018 at 7:46:51 PM

I got the feeling he was just inexperienced.

It's not like all of the Gods of Destruction are at the same power level either. Some are stronger than others. Given time, I bet Toppo would catch up with the average.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#81795: Mar 21st 2018 at 8:30:34 PM

His "coat himself in destruction energy" seems like it's decent hax.

Wonder why we never saw Beerus try that.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#81796: Mar 21st 2018 at 8:33:11 PM

He's never really had a reason to. His fight with Goku was for fun and using destruction energy like that would have taken away from the thrill.

This song needs more love.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81797: Mar 21st 2018 at 8:35:09 PM

Also he doesn't seem that smart to think of it.

edited 21st Mar '18 8:35:32 PM by slimcoder

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#81798: Mar 21st 2018 at 8:53:21 PM

Considering the solution to it is punch really really hard, it's pretty useless.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81799: Mar 21st 2018 at 9:01:23 PM

The ending of that fight really was stupid as fuck.

My boy Toppo robbed of a rightful victory by the defanged prince of all vegetables. sad

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#81800: Mar 21st 2018 at 9:16:43 PM

With the emphasis on Ki control during God training, how about an explanation like coating himself in Hakai being detrimental due to Toppo losing stamina fast, and that the emphasis on Ki control is to prevent this scenario? Considering how many times they bring up saving stamina, I thought this would have been how they defeat him.


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