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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#81676: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:09:09 PM

Probably because that version of Trunks isn't around. And I guess if Goku never beat him Trunks couldn't have killed him so it is still Goku's fault.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#81677: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:11:16 PM

....well, not as Freeza's aware. Don't think he's aware of either of those facts, since if he learned of a time machine he would probably travel back in time to try and prevent his own defeat.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#81678: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:22:28 PM

The easiest way to avoid people complaining about humans is to stop using them :V

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#81679: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:24:09 PM

But then Toriyama wouldn't get them beaten up to establish how terrifying the villains are and that is terrible. tongue

"Mai waifu."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81680: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:25:01 PM

But we have Vegeta for that.

His job is literally jobbing.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#81681: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:25:17 PM

Yeah. I mean, it sucks that he didn't phase them out gracefully, but if he's done with them, be done with them.

Though I don't mind 17 and 18 still being in. They have more of a reason than Krillin Tien, Roshi, or Yamcha.

I know we're all not exactly enamoured with how much 17 has been shilled, but maybe the manga will tone that down a bit.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#81682: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:25:38 PM

[up][up][up]He stopped doing that though...

That's what Vegetarian was for...and maybe Piccoro.

edited 20th Mar '18 6:26:26 PM by randomness4

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#81683: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:25:49 PM

...do you ever think maybe... it's time to move on from Vegeta as the main rival?

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#81684: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:28:21 PM

Nah, there's no need for a new rival...

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81685: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:29:54 PM

Hey I want him to retire.

He has no point anymore & they've pretty much ran his caring for his family trait right into the ground.

I really don't want his family boost to be a regular thing, it was cool with Beerus but bullshit with Toppo.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#81686: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:30:01 PM

I know we're all not exactly enamoured with how much 17 has been shilled

I am! 17 has been great in this arc. Went from "yeah he exists" to one of my favorites.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#81687: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:31:43 PM

[up][up]What if they allowed him to care for...more than his family?

Like make friends with...others?

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#81688: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:34:26 PM

17 and Frieza have both been great.

edited 20th Mar '18 6:34:33 PM by LordVatek

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#81689: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:36:12 PM

Yeah, I'm fine with 17 and Freeza in this arc, if only because them staying in for so long has made it much less predictable. 17 in particular has a bunch of really nice looking barrier techniques.

edited 20th Mar '18 6:36:59 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81690: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:37:07 PM

Somehow they are the ones doing the last stand. The preview shows that its a tag-team fight with Jiren.

It is fucking amazing that they have become the stars.

[up][up][up] Yup he's got nothing left.

edited 20th Mar '18 6:37:33 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#81691: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:39:44 PM

I'm not fond of how they've been using 17, but I can't deny it's been cool.

Also, Vegeta will stay the main rival because it's marketable and the universe might implode if they pushed him to the side. So he'll stay that role...no matter how unfitting.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#81692: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:40:03 PM

Vegeta being in for so long does kind of show that without his character arc he doesn't actually bring that much to the table anymore. He kind of just flips back to the original kinda grumpy rival mold that Tien used to have that Piccolo improved vastly on by having Gohan as a morality pet except Vegeta's gimmick is "Saiyans are the best" which is getting really grating.

In combat whereas Goku's shown he can display quite a bit of variety (Kaioken, afterimage, spiritbomb, even the destructodisk) Vegeta's fighting style is hugely unimaginative and they haven't made nearly enough effort to give him more stuff. He's easily got the most limited moveset of any major dragonball character.

I'd say that instead of giving him Super Saiyan Blue Evolution (which is the single most boring way for him to get more powerful) Bulma should have found a way for him to regrow his tail so he could have gone Blue Oozaru.

edited 20th Mar '18 6:45:08 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#81693: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:49:35 PM

Put me on team "New Saiyan is a big hot plate of sex."

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#81694: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:55:26 PM

[up][up] Because Toriyama never found a new use for him after his arc.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#81695: Mar 20th 2018 at 8:04:22 PM

I agree with retiring the rivalry, but I don't want Goku to get a new rival. The dynamic itself has become stale, it won't be fresh just by retreading it with a new character.

Beerus is as close to a rival as I want. Not the way Super's anime handled it, but with Goku (and Vegeta) making constant progress each arc to close the reasonable gap.

I don't think Vegeta needs to be retired, I just think Super hasn't been using him well. Ditch the rivalry, stop having him act like his Android arc self and focus on his family, he'll be fine.

I'll take retiring him over continuing to use him poorly, though.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#81696: Mar 20th 2018 at 8:14:55 PM

I don't care that much about Vegeta's use.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#81697: Mar 20th 2018 at 8:17:11 PM

It's because he can't progress...

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#81698: Mar 20th 2018 at 9:27:17 PM

17 and Freeza in this arc, if only because them staying in for so long has made it much less predictable.

If by "less predictable", you mean the writers needlessly shilling 17 every chance they get.

He has somehow survived longer than Vegeta and Gohan. Let that sink in.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#81699: Mar 20th 2018 at 9:34:31 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't have minded making 17 someone cool or that people care about, but they went overboard with it, arguably to the detriment of others on the team and the opponents credibility. Not that many characters in this tournament had much credibility to begin with, but still.

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#81700: Mar 20th 2018 at 9:40:39 PM

Put me on team "New Saiyan is a big hot plate of sex."

Which new Saiyan? You talking about the one in the mobile game or the one in the movie teaser?


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