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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#81626: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:13:09 PM

I kinda agree. If there was no real intent to use them, then they shouldn't have been there. Either cut down how many there were, or just use better people.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#81627: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:15:51 PM

I agree that Krillin and Tien not getting to do anything is very disappointing, but I do like how Frost was handled. In the anime, his reliance on cheap tactics ended up making him not look that strong, while him cleaning house in the manga makes Frieza betraying him feel like a good strategy to take out a powerful opponent with little effort, as opposed to how the anime felt like Frieza was just messing around with him.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#81628: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:17:23 PM

That I can buy.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#81629: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:18:08 PM

I'm really sorry. I enjoyed the series in the long run, but I'm saddened that a lot of cool people in the community of a franchise I love are being so negative over the series. Feels dissapointing and sad. Then again, I already deal with people telling me everyday anything I like is crap, so I'm used to this. Maybe is karma. I really pity Toyotaro right now...

I will admit that I been negative towards Super, Super actually cause to rethink what I like about Dragon Ball as it seems to use nostalgia but it lacks context as to why it worked in the first place. I will admit to being negative however Super did do something right, it helped me to understand Dragon ball a little better.

Also don't worry about other people too much if you like the show, then you like the show if other people don't.

"Mai waifu."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#81630: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:20:13 PM

So, any theories on who the Saiyan villain of the new movie is? I'm curious to see if that fur coat tied around his waist is going to mean anything or if it's just there to look cool.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#81631: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:22:01 PM

Yes it was inherent to the premise but it was a choice to not use them. They don't even need to beat anyone just serves some point beyond existing. We already knew Frosts power as people have mentioned, so they don't even properly serve to make him a threat.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#81632: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:22:31 PM

Frankly, I'd say the issue was with Toriyama deciding to use Tien and Krillin (and Roshi) in the first place. Well, maybe not Krillin.

Honestly, if it's between (badly) pretending they can and should matter, and just getting them out of the way, I'd prefer the latter. The Tien vs. Sniper thing was riddled with holes from the get go. I don't consider it a service to the character, if the situation you have them being "useful" in falls apart under brief inspection.

edited 20th Mar '18 2:23:32 PM by LSBK

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#81633: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:22:37 PM

it's probably Yamoshi

or more hopefully Broly

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#81634: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:23:23 PM

Doesn't Sun Wukong usually have such a fur coat?

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#81635: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:25:42 PM

I know the fans have been clamoring for a Sun Wukong god character, it'd be pretty crazy to get one now. Maybe he's like the Kami of the Saiyans or something.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#81636: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:29:02 PM

Again they don't need to win. If they are gonna just be eliminated then have it be to some other erson so we can at least say hey that person might be an issue. Instead it was to someone we already knew where they stood power wise. It accomplishes nothing but removing pieces which shouldn't be a plus.

My guess the movie villain is either Yamoshi or whatever evil king dude he fought.

Edgar81539 Since: Mar, 2014
#81637: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:29:52 PM

[up][up][up][up] See, the thing is that it wasn't a choice for Toei and Toyotaro (as much as I can dislike Toei). Toriyama was straight about it, the tournament needed to have 80 characters yes or yes. I've always said it, Toriyama is not a writing genius, he has some pretty dang amazing ideas but they need to be polished by an editor. Now that he alone is in charge of his work, we get some questionable choices like having a tournament with EIGHTY characters. I feel like a good editor could have told him to cut on the non-important characters, hell, maybe reduce the numbers to 64 or 56, or have one of the fodder universes not be there (9 or 10). Maybe still too many but much more manageable.

edited 20th Mar '18 2:30:58 PM by Edgar81539

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#81638: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:37:51 PM

Yes it is ultimately Toriyama's fault. That doesn't make having most of the characters be just pointless slot fillers any better. Don't get me wrong the anime has shit writing most of the time, but acting like what the manga is doing is just good writing isn't true.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#81639: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:39:16 PM

Honestly I'm just upset that Roshi gets something to do at all. I'd really rather they just retire his character completely.

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Fedetropes Call me Blast, not Fedetropes from Doomed universe Since: Dec, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#81640: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:39:28 PM

Is anyone disappointed that we aren't getting the "past of the saiyans" plot with the movie? Or are okay with it?

I was talking with someone about it and got me curious.

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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#81641: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:44:05 PM

i'm glad that we're not getting a movie about the past of the saiyans or whatever. we don't need to know anything else.

i mean, this movie could still reveal more about them, but at the very least i'm glad it doesn't take place entirely in the past or whatever

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#81642: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:45:06 PM

I'm not dissapointed since every reveal we got about Saiyans post-Freeza saga has only made them more boring.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#81643: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:46:51 PM

I thought we were getting stuff on the past of the Saiyans. It's just a part of the movie instead of the whole focus.

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#81644: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:48:03 PM

I'm sure we will get some of the past stuff in this still. Prolly the second act. I am disappointed that's not the whole movie and we are just getting Goku punches evil Saiyan again.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#81645: Mar 20th 2018 at 3:22:08 PM

Ten and Kuririn still had a point. Their eliminations made Freeza's 'betrayal' more convincing instead of the really flat attempt the anima pulled with Gohan. And it makes more sense for Frost to trust Freeza after that, and shows Freeza getting more use of of Frost in eliminating U 9 fighters.

That subplot still wasn't a great idea, but this is a much better execution.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#81646: Mar 20th 2018 at 3:24:27 PM

What, did Frieza eliminate Krillin and Tien himself?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#81647: Mar 20th 2018 at 4:04:19 PM

Nah but he told Frost they were weak and would be easy to eliminate

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#81648: Mar 20th 2018 at 4:04:25 PM

He told Frost they were the weakest of his team and that he should go for them. Frost therefore believed he was on his side, and followed his other suggestions, going all out from the beggining then getting knocked out with minimal effort after tiring out, eliminating some 9 fighters in the process.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#81649: Mar 20th 2018 at 4:05:27 PM

No, he got Frost to do it.

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Well, I'd argue Frost has no reason to exist when Frieza is around and vice versa (did we really need two of them, and back to back too?), but looking at it that way, it means someone was gonna get short changed in order to facilitate Frieza's plan, which means someone was always gonna be his fodder, no matter who they used.

This wouldn't have happened if Toriyama just used Buu.

edited 20th Mar '18 4:10:36 PM by HandsomeRob

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#81650: Mar 20th 2018 at 4:07:48 PM

Well, yeah. I never wanted Freeza back either.

@Eriorguez I had the same idea for F Trunks, which I'd only mentioned to Arha. I don't like the time line being erased but if it had to happen, Trunks going to Cell's time line is neat because that time line is at peace but has no Trunks and Bulma /Trunks could be reunited while still acknowledging what they both lost.

edited 20th Mar '18 4:11:00 PM by Saiga


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