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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#81601: Mar 20th 2018 at 11:59:52 AM

Just read the latest chapter of super.

Not much to say; as I pointed out, Tien and Krillin's performance is more consistent with how you'd expect them to be used, but it also kinda makes you wonder why they were there if it seems like Toyotarou was just trying to get them out of the way as quickly as possible.

Edit: As for the movie teaser, I've always preferred Goku's 23 Budokai / Saiyan Saga / Namek Saga gi to his Cell Saga gi, so I'm quite happy to see him in that get up, especially since he canonically never went Super Saiyan while in those duds (though the anime had Vegeta Imagine Spot him like that, and there was also Yo Son Goku and his Friends return, where that was his choice of garb), since by the time he did it, he'd lost his shirt.

edited 20th Mar '18 12:02:26 PM by HandsomeRob

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#81602: Mar 20th 2018 at 12:10:23 PM

GUYS, I THINK I'm GAY

THAT SAIYAN DESIGN IS JUST SO HANDSOME I WANT HIMT TO DOMINATE OH GOD HE IS SO HANDSOME HIS ARMOR IS BEAUTIFUL HIS HAIR IS BEAUTIFUL HE IS BEAUTIFUL SCREW CAULIFLA I WANT THIS GUY TO MAKE ME FEEL GOOD

....

Sorry.

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HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
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#81603: Mar 20th 2018 at 12:14:49 PM

So. How many deaths do you think Goku is now responsible for? After all, the Tournament only happened because he reminded Zeno of it.

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Edgar81539 Since: Mar, 2014
#81604: Mar 20th 2018 at 12:22:13 PM

I like the way Toyo is managing the tournament. Then again, I'm a sucker for consistency, so it's obvious that fodders like Tien and Krillin stand absolutely no chance against someone like Frost going all out early on, and from what we were shown, neither does most of U9 (Bergamo was defeated by Piccolo). It also fixes my main complaint about the initial phases of the tournament, Goku & co erasing universes willy nilly. Here Frieza is the one that reminds Piccolo that they're fighting for their survival, because, let's be honest, having the survival of an entire universe in your hands is something that would freeze almost anyone on the spot.

He has made the tournament seem like a real battle royale - chaos all around, the weaker fighters getting eliminated early and stamina being a real factor. Also gave weight to the universe eliminations. I stand by saying that the manga is much much better than the anime. It's a shame that the fans of the characters feel screwed, but TBH they shouldn't have been on the tournament to begin with. They were there only to fill a quota stablished by Toriyama.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#81605: Mar 20th 2018 at 12:22:14 PM

[up][up] If it wasn't for Goku reminding him even more people would have been dead.

Also yeah the weaker characters are there to fill a quota so the opposing sides can have a lot of players.

edited 20th Mar '18 12:23:39 PM by slimcoder

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#81607: Mar 20th 2018 at 12:59:02 PM

I do admit, it does make sense for the weaker characters to be tossed out, but I think that if you were just gonna fodder them, then you should have used other characters.

I've argued against Goten and Trunks being there, but I admit, they'd have probably lasted longer than Krillin and Tien did. Future Trunks definitely should have been there, and Then there'd have been room for Buu instead of throwing him out like Toriyama seems to enjoy doing.

If he thinks he's surprising us by having the characters who usually get taken out first get taken out first, then he's really not aware of just how much he did it.

But yeah, after all the stuff and issues with the anime, I admit, the manga is cutting right to the chase (and doing a better job of not making Goku look quite as callous as the anime did).

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#81608: Mar 20th 2018 at 1:26:28 PM

The manga continues to be disappointing and boring, no surprise here.

The new villain of the movie definitely appears to be a Saiyan, based on his armor. Not Super Saiyan 4, if you look closely, there's no fur on his arms. He just has a fur coat wrapped around his waist. Maybe Yamoshi? Probably not, though, since his armor is of the modern design.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#81609: Mar 20th 2018 at 1:29:56 PM

I'm fine with how Tien and Krillin were treated in the manga. It's a reasonable consequence of being in a battle royal with guys much more powerful than you.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#81610: Mar 20th 2018 at 1:33:43 PM

Agreed. I like that the anime tried to do something with them, but they really shouldn't have been there in the first place.

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#81611: Mar 20th 2018 at 1:33:48 PM

Yeah, but having the "much more powerful" part is unnecessary. Just wasted potential, same as usual with the manga.

I want to talk about the movie teaser.

edited 20th Mar '18 1:34:35 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#81612: Mar 20th 2018 at 1:34:35 PM

I don't see how it's unnecessary.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#81613: Mar 20th 2018 at 1:36:38 PM

Its sensible really.

They are only here cause they have to fill in spots.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#81614: Mar 20th 2018 at 1:40:18 PM

We already know how strong Frost is from his previous appearance which I'm assuming is similar to how it was in the anime (namely weaker than Super Saiyan Goku, but far stronger than Piccolo, who is a Super Namekian, but more powerful than an untrained Super Saiyan).

Of course he'd take them out right away if he went straight for them. We've been reminded again and again and again that they are not in the same weight class as the higher tier fighters. Sure they might have done well if they'd had a chance to find dudes they could take on, but Frost didn't give them that opportunity. The most unfair thing about it is that Roshi is somehow still in the running when Krillin and Tien, who are both stronger than him got taken out right away, but Toriyama seems to love Roshi right now, even though he retired him years ago what can you do?

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#81615: Mar 20th 2018 at 1:48:33 PM

There's no reason for Frost to take them out before they even get to fight anyone, and there's no reason why weaker characters from other universes have to be vastly stronger than them. It's just spiteful and boring. Frost and Gohan looked cool in this chapter, but that's all I'll give it. I like the idea of Frost targetting the Humans since it kind of happened in the anime and that could be expanded upon better, but the Humans should at least get a moment to shine before he takes them out, otherwise what's even the point of having them? If you're going to bring back fan-favorite characters for a massive battle royal tournament, you have to do something with them, not completely waste them.

On the teaser, I've never liked that stance of Goku's where he looks way over his shoulder. It feels awkward and definitely not conducive to fighting. I can't even do it, though I'm not surprised that Goku's flexible enough to.

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#81616: Mar 20th 2018 at 1:48:55 PM

Loving that Toei is embracing the Web Gen of animators for the new Dragonball movie.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#81617: Mar 20th 2018 at 1:49:00 PM

In fairness, Roshi's had some of the best moments this tournament (and one of the worst).

I just think in a tournament of wildly varying power levels they should all have time to shine.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#81618: Mar 20th 2018 at 1:52:42 PM

That'd be way too contrived with how big the power level gaps are. Like a less-sensible, paper-thin Eigen Plot.

I'm glad the manga eliminated them quickly, though it is annoying that Rossi looks like he'll receive special treatment again. And yeah, this shows that you should have just had more fitting characters.

But that was always the case.

The manga thread over on Kanzenshuu ended up getting locked due to the rage, which is funny.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#81619: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:01:44 PM

Sounds about what I'd expect from fans of theirs.

Edgar81539 Since: Mar, 2014
#81620: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:06:34 PM

Yeah, it seems that a lot of the rage stems from fans of the characters, and people that wanted the manga tournament to be as flashy and "hype" as the anime version. Except that flashy and hype without good storytelling behind just sucks. You can only have so many supposed "hype" moments before it starts weighing down your entire story. As I said before, this tournament benefits much more from having tension instead of mindless hype.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#81621: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:09:10 PM

Yeah I get that it 'makes sense' for them to get knocked out easily, but what is the point? Why bother having 80 characters if the strongest people knock them out before anything happens? Could've just cut it to like 20 characters from the beginning then. It is completely pointless. Having characters around for no reason isn't good writing either.

edited 20th Mar '18 2:10:59 PM by Jedi1113

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#81622: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:11:40 PM

Anime Ajay is excited. grin

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#81623: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:12:08 PM

[up][up] You just described the set-up of this tournament.

edited 20th Mar '18 2:12:29 PM by slimcoder

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#81624: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:12:23 PM

This is almost as bad as those fake spoilers that said that Gohan would be eliminated first by trying to attack Hit and phasing through him and falling out of the ring. The difference is that this is real. It's simple writing logic, you don't have a team of beloved characters and then have two of your characters get eliminated without doing literally anything. This sheer level of callous disregard doesn't usually happen in Dragon Ball, with the exception of Battle of Gods, where literally everyone got beaten without doing anything and that was the whole point.

Hell, there was even a whole interview with some Toei guys who talked about how Toriyama including the Humans in the team must've been for a reason and they put some serious thought into hyping up the Human's techniques and skills to defeat a couple of opponents before they got defeated themselves. Tenshinhan vs the sniper duo looks like a masterpiece of writing next to the manga, and that was one of the weakest episodes in the anime.

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#81625: Mar 20th 2018 at 2:12:40 PM

[up][up][up][up]That was always going to be an issue with this large a cast. Reading the manga shouldn't have been what made anyone realize that.

edited 20th Mar '18 2:13:05 PM by VeryMelon


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