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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#81476: Mar 18th 2018 at 10:22:08 AM

Just looked up a raw version of the latest super chapter.

Wow. Krillin and Tien did horribly. I mean, it's more in line with what you'd expect, but still. Being taken out without even doing anything is pretty pathetic.

I can't remember what that interview said about why those guys in particular were chosen, but it feels like the story was just trying to get them out of the way as quickly as possible.

Why even have them there if you aren't going to use them. You could have gone with Buu, used Goten and Trunks, and kept Future Trunks around as well.

One Strip! One Strip!
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#81477: Mar 18th 2018 at 11:28:12 AM

Kinda funny how towards the end Goku is the one barely talking while Jiren is screaming and becoming increasingly more verbal.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#81478: Mar 18th 2018 at 11:31:46 AM

You know, I should like the manga more... but the more I think about it...

I think the anime is actually better. The manga explains things better but it's written so stoically that it doesn't enjoy itself. The lack of Toriyama's artwork doesn't help.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#81479: Mar 18th 2018 at 11:35:21 AM

Really? I thought Toyotarou's art is pretty close to Toriyama's.

As for the manga vs the anime...well my issues with both stem more from how Toriyama has built his world (pushing out the secondary characters, putting everything on Goku, making how much Ki you have the end all or be all decider for who wins a fight).

The manga is closer to how things are done in the manga, while the anime takes liberties like the DB and Z anime. Both really follow Toei and Toriyama's styles respectively really.

One Strip! One Strip!
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#81480: Mar 18th 2018 at 11:41:23 AM

The fights were really difficult to follow, which is sometimes a problem I have in manga because of the reading right to left, but usually Toriyama's stuff is still clear. However, I watched one of the Super Eyepatch Wolf videos (the one on what he calls the Z manga even though it's still just the DB manga, but anyway it's the Z portion of chapters) and he points out how flawless Toriyama's compositions and stuff are and how it makes it easy to follow.

That's what I think Toyotaro isn't good at.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#81481: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:23:25 PM

I don't care which of the 2 is better anymore, and I'm glad I weaned myself off of that.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#81482: Mar 18th 2018 at 1:58:55 PM

Dr. Rota was eliminated in the manga.

I wanted to find out why he was called doctor! sad

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#81483: Mar 18th 2018 at 2:02:29 PM

You never will. You never will.

Hell, he's not even named in the manga.

One Strip! One Strip!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#81484: Mar 18th 2018 at 2:21:09 PM

On why the no-killing rule exists even though most of these people are supposed to be erased: I'd image it's for the one universe that isn't erased by the end. Winning the tournament doesn't mean all members get out alive if killing is allowed, and if the entire point of this is survival, that might not mesh well for the winners.

Under that line of logic, Jiren's actions should still get him disqualified.

edited 18th Mar '18 2:27:56 PM by LSBK

Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#81485: Mar 18th 2018 at 2:26:36 PM

[up]Would not say that. While there were rules against the audience attacking people in the ring. There were no rules against people in the ring attacking the audience.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81486: Mar 18th 2018 at 2:27:10 PM

Honestly I'm just gonna go with Zeno doesn't give a rats ass cause he likes Jiren.

Favoritism basically & in the case of Frost he never liked the guy so he's not gonna give him special treatment.

Zeno & El Grand Padre are horrible judges.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#81487: Mar 18th 2018 at 2:27:25 PM

[up][up]...Did you miss the entire point I was making?

edited 18th Mar '18 2:28:05 PM by LSBK

Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#81488: Mar 18th 2018 at 2:30:37 PM

[up]Was only responding to the second line really. Plus there is no rule against attacking the audience.

edited 18th Mar '18 2:32:03 PM by Envyus

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81489: Mar 18th 2018 at 2:33:04 PM

What's really horrifying is that chances are we are gonna get another tournament arc dealing with the remaining 4 universes which means we are gonna suffer Zeno & Padre's bullshit all over again.

edited 18th Mar '18 2:33:22 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#81490: Mar 18th 2018 at 3:06:04 PM

Super is gonna end with them wishing that they revive all universes zeno destroyed. this includes future trunks timeline and zamasu comes back and the show ends

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#81491: Mar 18th 2018 at 3:16:11 PM

That would be negative...

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81492: Mar 18th 2018 at 4:20:46 PM

Okay having now finally seen the episode Jiren's attack on the stands is a clear BLAM moment.

Nobody else reacts to it, not any of the Gods or Angels cause logically that attack would hit everyone not just U7 & after Goku stops it its immediately brushed aside like that with even none of the U7 guys commenting on it afterwards.

Its clearly just a cheap trick to give Goku a "Don't hurt my friends" moment cause whenever your doing friendship nonsense ya always gotta have the baddie attack his friends to make the point.

edited 18th Mar '18 4:51:46 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#81493: Mar 18th 2018 at 4:50:23 PM

Yeah, the lack of reaction from U11 was odd.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#81494: Mar 18th 2018 at 4:51:57 PM

It is so weird that they're going "Power of Friendship" in Dragon Ball. Goku caring and thinking about his family and friends is fine and has happened before, but the way they're talking about it seems so out of place.

edited 18th Mar '18 4:52:18 PM by LSBK

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#81495: Mar 18th 2018 at 4:53:31 PM

Yeah, Goku talks a lot of good shit, but he straight up lied to get his friends involved in a tournament that almost killed Roshi and nearly got Vegeta sealed away for good.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#81496: Mar 18th 2018 at 5:01:00 PM

You say that like he had a choice...

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81497: Mar 18th 2018 at 5:04:23 PM

Its weird cause they are doing a very modern approach of friendship that clashes heavily with the very old cast.

I mean I'm not saying DB devoid of friendship but it was of course done differently. Just look at Goku going berserk over Krillen's death, everyone's assists in the Perfect Cell vs Gohan beam struggle, & Goku's speech to get Vegeta to fuse against Super Gohan Buu.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#81498: Mar 18th 2018 at 5:24:59 PM

I heard a theory, lemmie posit it here, see what you guys think.

Goku had second thoughts about eliminating Jiren, and those second thoughts in and of themselves were what knocked him out of the form. Ultra Instinct is based around automatically doing what your body says is right without thinking about it. Goku fell out of Ultra Instinct because he had a thought about not eliminating Jiren.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#81499: Mar 18th 2018 at 5:41:19 PM

Which would make it Goku's fault if his universe is destroyed.

Palkia62 Since: Feb, 2018
#81500: Mar 18th 2018 at 5:43:09 PM

[up]x2 you know, I was thinking that with the yellow ki blast Goku was pointing at Jiren that he was gonna give him some energy.

edited 18th Mar '18 5:43:26 PM by Palkia62


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