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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#81451: Mar 18th 2018 at 8:00:48 AM

[up]Ah yes, it's only natural it would come down to those two.

Wait... what?

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#81452: Mar 18th 2018 at 8:04:34 AM

Makes sense for the final fight to come down to teamwork, considering how much emphasis has been placed on that this arc.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#81453: Mar 18th 2018 at 8:30:10 AM

So shouldnt it be his friends or son or vegeta rather than freiza or 17?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#81454: Mar 18th 2018 at 8:37:08 AM

The whole friendship things sounds more like Toei addition than anything Toriyama did, so it's their mistake for putting something like that in when that's not really a dragon ball thing.

I mean, sometimes Goku's friends do help him, but other times they either can't do anything but watch, or arrive after he's already done all the work.

One Strip! One Strip!
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#81455: Mar 18th 2018 at 8:39:08 AM

@ Pushover: Jiren does have his Full Power form in Heroes, but it doesn't make him shirtless. Looks more or less like Kaioken in-game.

CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Starting to believe in himself
#81456: Mar 18th 2018 at 9:14:54 AM

You know its funny, when krillen says some of us have even been Gokus enemies...I think EVERYONE outside of roshi and gohan have been antagonists or rivals, or both.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#81457: Mar 18th 2018 at 9:18:33 AM

Technically Roshi was a rival to Goku as Jackie Chun.

So really just Gohan...both Trunks and Goten.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#81458: Mar 18th 2018 at 9:28:04 AM

A new "party member" gets recruited from the antagonists of most arcs, really. Not Red Ribbon though.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81459: Mar 18th 2018 at 9:44:59 AM

Huh chances are Super will end on a cliffhanger.

If were still doing a fight even to the last episode I can't imagine that it will be a satisfying conclusion to all this.

Okay it is a bit disappointing that the movie is basically the real Super finale.

edited 18th Mar '18 9:47:23 AM by slimcoder

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Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#81460: Mar 18th 2018 at 9:46:27 AM

Yeah, I call so much bullshit on 17 surviving. "It was a gamble whether I'd survive my own self destruction or not. I got lucky".

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#81461: Mar 18th 2018 at 9:50:02 AM

Blowing yourself up has a really good track record in dragon ball

Cell, Vegeta the second time, and 17 all walked away from it

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#81462: Mar 18th 2018 at 9:52:41 AM

Cell could regenerate (and didn't know he'd survive) and 17 and Vegeta surviving were both bullshit.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#81463: Mar 18th 2018 at 9:53:59 AM

Also that time in GT when Goku blew himself up against Super 17 and survived somehow.

Anyway, after all that talking 17 did about using his infinite stamina to run out the clock, it's exciting to think he might actually be able to do it.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81464: Mar 18th 2018 at 9:54:26 AM

[up][up][up] The first example is the only time that has ever happened in Z & it was with a chimeric abomination with immense natural regeneration abilities.

The latter 2 happened literally within the last month.

[up] I really want someone to just run out the clock, they only got a couple seconds in this mess.

edited 18th Mar '18 9:55:16 AM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#81465: Mar 18th 2018 at 9:57:45 AM

A lot of people call bullshit on Cell surviving as well.

Me, I'm more annoyed by how almost every self-destruction attack has never worked.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#81466: Mar 18th 2018 at 9:58:08 AM

Of course when Chaotzu blows himself up he just dies

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#81467: Mar 18th 2018 at 10:01:52 AM

And when Vegeta blew himself up the first time it did jack shit.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#81468: Mar 18th 2018 at 10:03:31 AM

A lot of people call bullshit on Cell surviving as well. Me, I'm more annoyed by how almost every self-destruction attack has never worked.

What are you talking about? Cell totally killed Goku, King Kai, Bubbles and Gregory. Sure, he was trying to get a few more people in the mix, but he still did exactly what he wanted to do.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81469: Mar 18th 2018 at 10:05:32 AM

At least Cell actually died sorta.

I mean he is the main villain so he's given a little leeway to some bullshittery.

Vegeta & 17 was just all awful though.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#81470: Mar 18th 2018 at 10:05:33 AM

That's why I said almost, because pre-super that's the only one I can think of that worked.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#81471: Mar 18th 2018 at 10:10:48 AM

If you think about it, Jiren is just a more powerful version of Tien when he first appeared.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#81472: Mar 18th 2018 at 10:11:42 AM

No, Tien was a lot more entertaining and had a solid arc over his appearances (to the point that he had fully completed a character arc before he fought Goku).

Tien also fights in a way more interesting way.

edited 18th Mar '18 10:12:01 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81473: Mar 18th 2018 at 10:13:32 AM

So he's a lame knock-off version essentially right?

edited 18th Mar '18 10:15:11 AM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#81474: Mar 18th 2018 at 10:15:25 AM

If anything, this fight feels more like the Vegeta fight. First it was a group effort, then Goku busted out the new killer god form, then he tuckered out without totally beating the BBEG, and then his friends had to jump in to help him.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#81475: Mar 18th 2018 at 10:16:51 AM

Honestly, Vegeta surviving the second time didn't bother me too much since, even against Buu, the move wasn't actually him blowing up his body like Chiaotzu, Cell, or 17. It was a huge release of ki that led to him turning to stone (I guess using up far too more ki than you can expend turns you into stone...I dunno, the Buu saga was weird).


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