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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#81376: Mar 17th 2018 at 8:47:33 PM

So I just watched it.

I feel like this is a 'have their cake and eat it too moment. Goku technically wins by virtue of putting Jiren down and being a moment away from just knocking him out, but they're still gonna have Jiren knock him, Frieza and 17 out next episode, because subverting expectations means doing the same damn thing every time''.

Well, I'm curious to see how the manga does it.

One Strip! One Strip!
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#81377: Mar 17th 2018 at 8:49:05 PM

I mean, the Sun and Moon anime is good at least. tongue


I still think the tournament will end with time running out. Since Goku already "beat" Jiren, the one thing to further drive the point would be for Universe 7 to win via having more members left before the time runs out. Jiren would in that scenario ultimately lose because of Universe 7 valuing each other in teamwork.

edited 17th Mar '18 8:51:26 PM by Lionheart0

bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#81378: Mar 17th 2018 at 8:52:00 PM

The tweats said that Beerus would be saying that Goku may have surpassed him in this episode. There was no such line in this episode. Goddamn it, I hate lying information.. Yes, I know that Goku pretty obviously has, but still.

jjj
Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Where force fails, cunning prevails
#81379: Mar 17th 2018 at 8:54:24 PM

Losing to Alain made me quit the anime entirely. Especially after that epic shuriken attack that got built up.

Oh and for more context looking in, Alain became the rival to Ash and was literally working for Team Plasma. He's more of the darker anti-hero/anti-villain type who was focused on power and they built stuff up with him having beaten Ash prior. Oh and it was literally the finals and only time Ash has ever gone to the finals. And Ash having his own special evolution that nobody else has. All that and some more and still lost because Status Quo Is God.

Anyway, I had fun with this episode. Jiren losing his cool then showing some nobility later doesn't bother me, in that it made sense to me. The losing cool moment was an act of temper then after that, he'd been beaten and accepted his fate. He wanted to prove himself the strongest and failed and acknowledged Goku's strength in defeating him.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#81380: Mar 17th 2018 at 8:56:19 PM

17 literally pulled a "I lived, bitch" on Jiren. Holy fucking shit this is the best outcome.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#81381: Mar 17th 2018 at 8:59:05 PM

[up]There's only one way this can end.

edited 17th Mar '18 8:59:19 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#81382: Mar 17th 2018 at 8:59:45 PM

Best animation for any Tv episode of Dragon Ball, easily. And this is with Yamamuro's outdated stiff art holding back the animation crew, and the horrible scheduling that they still have up to the very end of the show. The movie later this year is gonna make all of this look like crayon drawings in comparison.

edited 17th Mar '18 9:00:16 PM by Demongodofchaos2

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81383: Mar 17th 2018 at 9:02:36 PM

Its nice to know Super still has good animation.

It be a complete let down if it didn't. evil grin

edited 17th Mar '18 9:02:59 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#81384: Mar 17th 2018 at 9:08:18 PM

I did like how Goku's body just broke down, puts all of those times he pushed himself with "no energy" in context. Wouldn't be surprised if he lost his ability to use his God forms from that.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#81385: Mar 17th 2018 at 9:08:23 PM

[up]x3: The staff list for this episode is extra packed, with fan-favorites like Shida, Tate, and Manabe on-board. Next week's final episode has Yuya Takahashi returning to Yamamuro bookending with animation supervision.

Also, like you needed to ask if Mexico's crowds were watching this alongside us?


[up] That would be an insane, and probably retroactive, twist if Goku's connection to God Ki was temporarily severed as a result of his Ultra Instinct usage.

At least this episode reaffirms that it's a technique like Kaioken.

edited 17th Mar '18 9:13:35 PM by XMenMutant22

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81386: Mar 17th 2018 at 9:13:14 PM

Hey Latin America does love Dragon Ball.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#81387: Mar 17th 2018 at 9:23:30 PM

@Anomalocaris 20: That is the only ending I will accept.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#81388: Mar 17th 2018 at 9:35:01 PM

Is the last episode the same length as the other episodes. Because please God know, we cannot have an epilogue be 10 minutes. Especially when something like this that needs a lot of closure. Starting with the fact that Zen'o is still in power. Hate that brat more than Jiren and Ribrianne combined

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#81389: Mar 17th 2018 at 9:52:24 PM

It would have been the greatest ending ever if Jiren had been instantly disqualified for attacking the stands. [lol]

Otherwise, I enjoyed that episode. [tup]

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#81390: Mar 17th 2018 at 9:56:39 PM

So, the fight was good, which is really all you can ask for at this point. I agree that it's too little too late for Jiren's characterization, and his too big moments don't work being such close proximity and contradictory of one another, but what can you do?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#81391: Mar 17th 2018 at 9:57:41 PM

Zeno did nothing...but his job.

[up]Can't do nothing but talk about it on the internet.

edited 17th Mar '18 9:58:30 PM by randomness4

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#81392: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:02:36 PM

The animation in this episode was god-tier. Easily the best animation in... Dragon Ball. Ever. Like, I think this actually surpassed Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F'. I liked that Jiren's power-up was him breaking through his own limits, instead of just revealing more power. Seems like the strength he showed after Toppo was eliminated was actually his maximum since he didn't power up between then and now. I also loved U7's speech about Goku believing in others and Goku finishing the speech. I liked Jiren having a bit of a breakdown and shooting at the stands, and while I think the Grand Priest should've mentioned something about it, I thought it worked well.

I also think some people are missing that the important line isn't Jiren being honorable when he's just about to eliminate Goku, the important line is Goku reading Jiren like a book beforehand and recognizing that he totally is starting to realize the power of trust and friendship, which is what prompts Jiren to calm down and take that honorable stance. I also loved that they hammered home that this was a victory for Goku, Jiren recognized and accepted his defeat and multiple people acknowledged this. It's just that Goku's body gave out at the shittiest time.

Holy crap, guys, Freeza's still in the arena. Holy crap, guys, 17's still in the arena! So it might actually come down to the clock, with an injured and exhausted Goku, Freeza, and 17 holding off a heavily injured and exhausted Jiren.

Finally, here's something I've been wondering for a while: what if the person who gets nominated as the MVP isn't from a universe that still exists or one of the final fighters? What if the Zenos just decide that Hit had the coolest looking power and he should be the MVP who gets the wish?

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#81393: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:03:12 PM

I will say, the animation was excellent, and I'm actually hopeful for next episode. It looks like Jiren's stamina is crumbling which might give 17 and Freeza a fighting chance.

This ep was a lot better than I thought it would be.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#81394: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:05:04 PM

[up][up]Well, there is that theory that the tournament is specifically 48 minutes is because that's the upper limit on the Grand Priest's time reversal.

edited 17th Mar '18 10:05:19 PM by Eagal

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#81395: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:07:28 PM

Well, in godly time, it's 100 taks, which seems like a much more standard time limit to set.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#81396: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:08:54 PM

12 universes, 3 minute limit per Angel....

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#81397: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:10:23 PM

All Your Colors Combined?

edited 17th Mar '18 10:11:06 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#81398: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:22:50 PM

Guys. What if the ace Goku mentions is Freeza fusing with 17? His wish is to rule over all the gods from on a boat.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#81399: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:24:21 PM

17 and Frieza just met though. I don't think they're the type to fuse on the first date.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#81400: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:24:30 PM

What if his wish on the Super Dragon Balls is to become a boat?


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