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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#81076: Mar 13th 2018 at 4:00:47 PM

Anom, having fertile offspring as the way of deciding what a species is is flawed; and species has more than a definition.

To begin with, no common origin in sight means separate species, full stop. A species is a collective that shares a common ancestor.

Second, hybridation plays a huge role in evolution. Just take a look at the whole mess the golden jackal-wolf-dog-coyote complex is, where they can freely crossbreed with each other yet have completely different niches or structures. Or how the polar bear has a fuckton of adaptations, but other than that it appears to fall into a core branch of the brown bear, and is breeding into the grizzly populations as it loses habitat.

An alien lifeform will be a separate species even if it is compatible with a native species. And species are not properly separated by breeding potential; that's an obsolete rule.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#81077: Mar 13th 2018 at 4:01:32 PM

Are there cases of animal hybrids in nature being able to reproduce? From what I know the definition of a species is "able to create fertile offspring with another member of said species", at least when it comes to sexually reproducing species. I know mules are sterile, but I'm wondering if if some hybrids are. Because if they are it means Saiyans and humans just need to be genetically close, not necessarily the same species.

Something to think about is that the gods of creation in the Dragonball Multiverse are all human-looking. That might be a good handwave for why Human Aliens or Humanoid Alien is such a prevalent trope in Dragonball.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81078: Mar 13th 2018 at 4:02:16 PM

Gohan's lucky he ain't sterile.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#81079: Mar 13th 2018 at 4:23:21 PM

[up][up]At the very least it's a creationist setting so the odd coincidence of two human-like genetically-compatible species evolving lightyears apart can be handwaved as "cuz the gods said so".

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#81080: Mar 13th 2018 at 4:30:00 PM

Given that Kaioshin have been called the gods of creation, I had thought that they had some hand in the creation of new world's which influenced the races that developed on them.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#81081: Mar 13th 2018 at 4:31:54 PM

Outside of creating a giant metal block out of nothing, Supreme Kai ain't done nothing to create nothing.

Should've been a thing by now, eh?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81082: Mar 13th 2018 at 4:32:23 PM

Oooooh I got something.

Big Green Logic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-FrpcncHkA

"You can't change destiny." Well alright but what the fuck did you did then Future Trunks? [lol]

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#81083: Mar 13th 2018 at 4:38:58 PM

Yeah...it's not even just the logic that's negative, that entire speech makes no sense.

edited 13th Mar '18 4:39:20 PM by randomness4

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#81084: Mar 13th 2018 at 4:43:52 PM

Hybrids in the wild? Coyotes and wolved have been going at it for plenty of time (every single red wolf has coyote genes as well, and that is a functional separate species from either parent). And stay away from Pelophylax frogs, their species are sorcery I tell you.

Asian creation myths are more along the guiding lines. And, to be fair, most religions accept evolution, only having their deities as overseer of the process. Sheer creationism and literal interpretation of a single version of escriptures seems to be reserved to vocal fundamentalists.

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#81085: Mar 13th 2018 at 4:50:20 PM

I'm pretty positive the Big Green dub was made without knowledge of Dragon Ball outside of the specific movies they were adapting. They probably thought Trunks was just some guy from the future and Dragon Ball time travel didn't involve multiple timelines.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#81086: Mar 13th 2018 at 4:50:39 PM

Maybe one of U7's Kais was lazy and just copypasted the files for Saiyans onto Earth, but with some bugfixes to those glitches where their hair color palette would point to the wrong address mid-battle, or how their strength recovery process could net a positive gain with no upper value ceiling.

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#81087: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:00:54 PM

The Malaysian Dub may be even worse then the big green dub:

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#81088: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:14:43 PM

From what I've seen, Malaysian dubs are universally terrible.

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#81089: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:18:43 PM

I'm surprised Toei didn't even think of female Saiyans. They thought "Hey, Broly, but what if we make it female?" and that's where the idea came from.

Classy. At least I'm glad Caulifla has a good hair design. Seriously, Cabba and Tarble were bootleg Vegeta/Gohan, I'm expecting Yamoshi to be another bootleg design.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#81090: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:20:55 PM

She's another example of what if: went ssj3?

Just like Radish but not as impressive.

Of course Tarble is bootleg brother, Veggie is just his father without the beard.

edited 13th Mar '18 5:21:58 PM by randomness4

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#81091: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:25:27 PM

Given how politically correct the world is nowadays, the outcry for female Super Saiyans doesn't surprise me at all.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81092: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:26:15 PM

[up][up][up] Well Only 6 Faces apply here in regards to the Saiyan's.

So I expect Yamoshi to look a lot like Goku & Vegeta.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#81093: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:27:15 PM

I understand why it was a thing people wanted to see, I didn't really get why it was apparently a huge disservice that it didn't happen before though.

I mean, there was Pan in GT, but people seemed to hate a lot of things about Pan from GT.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#81094: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:32:03 PM

[up] Reason one - there aren't a lot of ladies in Dragonball, people want more. Reason two, people want musclegirls (which is why the U6 Saiyans being noodles is irritating to a lot of people).

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#81095: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:35:49 PM

But they're noodles even in comparison to the existing female characters...

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81096: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:44:13 PM

Blame that on Toriyama's new art-style.

I mean Toyotaro doesn't have that problem, he actually draws Cabba with muscle.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#81097: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:51:20 PM

I wouldn't dare blame an art style for reaching its streamline...

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#81098: Mar 13th 2018 at 6:08:53 PM

Both Caulifla and Kale have their moments of extreme musclegirl, and Kafla while Super Saiyan is in a constant state of moderate musclegirl, so I'm happy.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#81099: Mar 13th 2018 at 6:30:48 PM

people wanting female super saiyans has little to do with being pc, and more to do with musclegirls are hot and yes the main forms are twigs, but they gain the muscles in other forms.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81100: Mar 13th 2018 at 6:35:02 PM

Thankfully the show's art got better so they don't look like total anorexics now.

I think Cabba got some muscle since his first appearance didn't he?

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